Pool league drama

Sounds like you handled the situation very responsibly. Hats off to you. Should pay dividends in the future.
 
No. You know weather you hit the ball or not. It sounds like he knew he was going to loose and pulled a punk move.
 
I really don't think all ball fouls belong in any pool matches that don't have a referee.

So you are saying you did touch the ball? If so, I don't know what you are complaining about.

If you didn't, shouldn't these kind of situations always be called for the favor of the shooter, if there is no referee around?

I am not following.
 
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No. You know weather you hit the ball or not. It sounds like he knew he was going to loose and pulled a punk move.

I personally don't think I moved a ball but I believe the captain thinks he saw a wiggle. The guy I was playing didn't call the foul. I feel if I moved a ball the other guy on the team that was told to watch would have seen it. However the captain says he is old.

If I was a captain and I called a foul and no one else saw it and I made a big announcement that I had this guy right next me watch it cuz I saw it coming and then the guy shakes his head like he didn't see a foul then at that point I say never mind. Keep shooting.


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So you are saying you did touch the ball? If so, I don't know what you are complaining about.

If you didn't, shouldn't these kind of situations always be called for the favor of the shooter, if there is no referee around?

I am not following.

In the third paragraph I said I was totally shocked and didn't feel anything.


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In the third paragraph I said I was totally shocked and didn't feel anything.


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I saw that, but I also saw you saying that you would've preferred there to be a rule which allows you to move the balls.

In any case, this is not my area, I have no idea with which rules you play in these type of leagues. I am sorry for interrupting, you are probably right.
 
If you didn't think you touched it and the opposing player didn't call it nor did the guy assigned to watching it wouldn't confirm it, I'd have told the other Captain to go pound sand. At worst, I'd have called for the game to be replayed, no way I give him BIH at that point for the easy finish.
 
ain't worth the argument and ensuing bad blood.

You did the right thing by being a "sportsman" and yeilding the table in this situation.

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If the match had something more than pride riding on it, situation could be different.
 
I personally don't think I moved a ball but I believe the captain thinks he saw a wiggle. The guy I was playing didn't call the foul. I feel if I moved a ball the other guy on the team that was told to watch would have seen it. However the captain says he is old.

If I was a captain and I called a foul and no one else saw it and I made a big announcement that I had this guy right next me watch it cuz I saw it coming and then the guy shakes his head like he didn't see a foul then at that point I say never mind. Keep shooting.


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That captain is full of it. If the guy is old and not that sharp why would he pick him to look for a foul. That doesn't make sense. He knew you were a nice guy and took advantage. If you play him again get a neutral guy to ref. This isn't the first time he pulled this I bet.
 
as we get older, we learn to pick our battles

For example, frustrating though it may be, if someone cuts you off in traffic, even though they are TOTALLY in the wrong, you can't force them off the road and punch them in the nose.

Especially when they turn out to be a 16 year old girl, or somebody's grandma..

Just because he pulled a punk move, don't let him pull you down to his level.
 
I personally don't think I moved a ball but I believe the captain thinks he saw a wiggle. The guy I was playing didn't call the foul. I feel if I moved a ball the other guy on the team that was told to watch would have seen it. However the captain says he is old.

If I was a captain and I called a foul and no one else saw it and I made a big announcement that I had this guy right next me watch it cuz I saw it coming and then the guy shakes his head like he didn't see a foul then at that point I say never mind. Keep shooting.


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But isn't that exactly what happened? So why did you sit down? If the captain has his own guy looking for it and he can't step up and say it was a foul, the captain is the one who should have say down. If his excuse was that the guy was too old, then bad on him for asking the wrong guy to watch for it.

Not sure I get it, but as you suggested, it's only a game and no money was involved.
 
But isn't that exactly what happened? So why did you sit down? If the captain has his own guy looking for it and he can't step up and say it was a foul, the captain is the one who should have say down. If his excuse was that the guy was too old, then bad on him for asking the wrong guy to watch for it.

Not sure I get it, but as you suggested, it's only a game and no money was involved.

The next day I told the guy who does our time out coaching that I thought I made a mistake giving up the table and he agreed that I did but understood because of all the dramatic incidents with this captain.


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Descrepencies favor the shooter...

In all the leagues that I've ever played in, any descrepencies always favor the shooter, if the opponent didn't call for someone to referee the shot. If I didn't think I moved the ball, I'd keep possession of the table, and explain that he could of and should have called for someone to watch the shot...since he didn't...sit down and be quiet. End of story.

If u want to try to win by nit-picking rules and enforcing them to your advantage, I'd use the "goes to the shooter" rule to even the score, and stay at the table. Cuz that's what's right. Now, if you moved the ball...and it can't be decided exactly where to put back, then it's grounds for foul.

I'd even consider calling foul on the other captain for coaching violation without calling a timeout. He may be able to call a foul, but he's not able to try to convince the shooter that something happened when the shooter didn't see it.

Captain should never be able to call a foul. That's a bad set of rules. Player must pay attention and should be solely responsible for calling foul.

As far as captain yelling and arguing, he probably shouldn't be captain. Captain is a PR position, and that's not how you should run a team. The players don't need to see that. Poor leadership.

If I was your captain, I would have declined the foul, and suggested to the other captain that he call the league operator for a decision if he felt entitled to a foul. I'd suggest him to call for a referee next time...especially since he was anticipating a foul the entire time. Why didn't he call for someone to watch the shot?
If I felt like digging it in a little, I'd even explain that he may have cost his player the opportunity for a BIH by choosing not to call for a ref. lol...only would I do this if he was really being an ass.

This kind of frivelant nit picking really takes the fun out of pool. Shows how inexperienced he is also since he doesn't know the obvious "goes to the shooter" rule...which is elementary 101 league stuff.

Good luck...my advice...read the rule book and know it inside and out.
Happy playing.
 
For example, frustrating though it may be, if someone cuts you off in traffic, even though they are TOTALLY in the wrong, you can't force them off the road and punch them in the nose.

Especially when they turn out to be a 16 year old girl, or somebody's grandma..

Just because he pulled a punk move, don't let him pull you down to his level.

This not a traffic thread and no one said anything about assault. Stick to the subject. Not letting someone get away with calling a made up foul because his team was loosing is not stooping to their level.
 
I am BCAPL player and I love the rules of the Bca Pool League but I also play in a local league that plays all ball fouls.

I am shooting the last two balls before the eight. I make the shot with perfect shape to get out and the captain on the other team calls foul which he can.

I'm totally shocked. I didn't feel anything. He says my watch touched an object ball and barely wiggled it. He announces that he even told his teammate standing right beside him to watch.

So the captain on my team loudly asks the guy if he saw it. He just shakes his head and won't confirm or deny even after being asked twice.

Their captain is maintaining he saw it and wouldn't lie about it. Their is yelling going back and forth and I chose to end the drama by relinquishing the table, giving ball in hand to my opponent and watch him run out.

This is a trophy league and it wasn't worth the drama for me personally however if it was my BCA team with money on the line I don't think I would have given up the table since the guy that was told to watch didn't see the foul.

I really don't think all ball fouls belong in any pool matches that don't have a referee.

Should I have given up the table, considering my team wants to win for the pride?

Thanks for listening.




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i captain 3 teams.

apa, napa, and an in house money league. i found out quick like ...it aint worth the drama. i am a firm believer in what goes around comes around. karma catches up to guys like that.
 
My buddy on my BCA team owns the pool hall where we played. I hate to see drama there as it's bad for business and was part of my reason to end it.
 
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