Pool Made Simple – STANCE and STROKE – Finding What is Best for You

Bob Jewett said:
One "old school" teaching I never understood was the "see where your cue points naturally" concept. As you point out, that forces the body to be turned to a particular "open/closed" rotation that won't work for many people. I wonder where it originated.
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First guy I saw it from was Bert Kinister. Personally, I think it is great and his students seem to have had much success with it as well. It does a fine job of lining up the joints for a good straight stroke. The vast majority of people will just end up at or very close to the standard taught 45degree angle anyway, but for people near the extremes of the range of possibilities for a hang, it's not really a viable option when you factor in where the eyes need to be.
 
Thank you so much for the video! The "lock and loaded" section really hit home with me. I always thought my aim was good before going down, but when I was down on the shot it was off some. Tried all kinds of changes, but not much success. Been working on the "lock and loaded, for last day or so and, wow, what a difference. Shaft aim is in same position up or down.

Thanks Again!
 
BlueRaider said:
Thorsten recommends something similar to that here:

Someone in the comments says he likely learned it from Ralph Eckert.
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I've also seen and heard it from other instructors.


BlueRaider said:
I've always thought that Jerry Briesath's "chin lock" advice was the best for getting into a good stance because if you do it correctly, a good stance happens naturally. By forcing your head to not move, you have no choice but to get your body in place as you get down on the shot, which creates clearance automatically.
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Agreed. If you lead with focused vision with your head in the right place, everything else follows. If have a good demonstration of this at the 6:43 point in this video:

 
Island Drive said:
Yessir, baseline of initial body movement.

''there's no place like home base''

Cept a boat.... on Horse tooth Reservoir with friends.
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I wish I had a friend with a boat. I had several when I lived in Austin, and I miss it.
 
WobblyStroke said:
First guy I saw it from was Bert Kinister. Personally, I think it is great and his students seem to have had much success with it as well. It does a fine job of lining up the joints for a good straight stroke. The vast majority of people will just end up at or very close to the standard taught 45degree angle anyway, but for people near the extremes of the range of possibilities for a hang, it's not really a viable option when you factor in where the eyes need to be.
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... but as I show in the video, the cue-pointing-trick can often give the wrong answer.
 
RandyinHawaii said:
Thank you so much for the video! The "lock and loaded" section really hit home with me. I always thought my aim was good before going down, but when I was down on the shot it was off some. Tried all kinds of changes, but not much success. Been working on the "lock and loaded, for last day or so and, wow, what a difference. Shaft aim is in same position up or down.
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I'm glad to hear it. I have also had similar feedback with many students I've worked with over the years.


RandyinHawaii said:
Thanks Again!
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You're welcome. As always, I aim to swerve. 🤓
 
dr_dave said:
... but as I show in the video, the cue-pointing-trick can often give the wrong answer.
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Yes, ensuring to 'lock and load' the shoulder, as you put it, drastically affects the hang and gives better results. Good posture matters. People that sit at work all day tend to develop slumped shoulders that are internally rotated resulting in the cue pointing way across their bodies leading to a super closed stance if following that method.... no bueno.
 
WobblyStroke said:
Yes, ensuring to 'lock and load' the shoulder, as you put it, drastically affects the hang and gives better results. Good posture matters. People that sit at work all day tend to develop slumped shoulders that are internally rotated resulting in the cue pointing way across their bodies leading to a super closed stance if following that method.... no bueno.
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FYI, I demonstrate these exact point at the 9:34 point in the video.
 
dr_dave said:
I wish I had a friend with a boat. I had several when I lived in Austin, and I miss it.
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You coulda of..... :)

I drove to Kearney NE to get THIS boat when my 1st of 3 CO grandkids was borne.

I've always said this growin' up on water....
Your chances of keeping your first wife, are much greater than Keeping your first boat. :)

Got the boat specifically for the kids since I grew up ''on a lake''.
Dad was Navy... lake shore property.... pier, boats and raced wooden C scow competitions for yrs.

Below Starcraft.....
170 lb boat/150 lb motor.... with a speed prop, would do 38 mph on a 14' 10'' deep V hull.
Normal prop, kids popped outta the water skis QUICK.
Sad when I sold it last march.

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Instead of putting the airbags in my chest area I put them in the back of my pants to give me more ass when I break 🙂

Seriously though .. great vid as always!
 
Haven't watched all but one thing i've tried and can NOT do is the snooker-style of shooting. 5minutes of that position and i need a Lortab the size of a golfball. I stand much more sideways to my shot line. Left foot still fairly parallel to SL but right foot further around. Good video Doc.
 
Timely video indeed. I've watched it several times.

I have been fiddling with my stance for several months now. Every so often I would miss a shot that should be automatic and I would wonder why. Had to be my stance.

I tried lining up my arm and shoulder on the shot line, much like I've seem some pros do (Ko Pin Chung in particular). But it's awkward for me and the stick kept rubbing against my side. I needed more clearance.

I have settled on a somewhat more open stance. Seems more accurate for me. But I get less power on some shots, draws in particular. So I am trying to fine tune my stance even further and find just the right position between open and "closed."

It has not been easy.
 
jbart65 said:
Timely video indeed. I've watched it several times.

I have been fiddling with my stance for several months now. Every so often I would miss a shot that should be automatic and I would wonder why. Had to be my stance.

I tried lining up my arm and shoulder on the shot line, much like I've seem some pros do (Ko Pin Chung in particular). But it's awkward for me and the stick kept rubbing against my side. I needed more clearance.

I have settled on a somewhat more open stance. Seems more accurate for me. But I get less power on some shots, draws in particular. So I am trying to fine tune my stance even further and find just the right position between open and "closed."

It has not been easy.
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FYI, you might the other videos and info here helpful:

 
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