pool meusium

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http://www.wiener-kaffeehaus.at/07_Museum/7_0_Museum_Detail.asp?SID=3176996151439&ID=8090

You might not understand the text but you can enjoy the picture gallery!
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I have had the pleasure of a guided tour through this private Museum and it may only be 3 or 4 rooms but it definitely has billiard artifacts that are unbelievable. He even has a table where there is a piece of string under the cloth so that when the cue ball comes to the rail it will roll back away from the rail so far that will allow you to get the mace in between the ball and the rail. From tables that have little metal springs and horse hair for cushions to Maces. Cues that are hundreds of years old and such.
I wish I would of had a camera with me. Old chalk, Ivory balls and tusks, even mammoth tusks.
I would like to go back again in the future if possible!!!!

no-sho
 
Fatboy,
I guess I just think differently than some people and while I'm not your dream keeper........

You should put those dreams on hold and use your wherewithal to put professional pool on solid footing.

Now that would be a legacy, not some old stuffy museum that has to be funded with a few dozen Super Jumbo CD's that only a handful of people will ever visit.

Put your money, talent and knowledge to work making professional pool something where all of the professional poolplayers can actually make a decent living for decades to come. That means getting professional pool to television on a regular LIVE BASIS or even a short lived reality show.

Surely, your talents, energy and dough couldn't be better utilized?

JoeyA
 
Joey you are behind the times . . .

JoeyA said:
Fatboy,
I guess I just think differently than some people and while I'm not your dream keeper........

You should put those dreams on hold and use your wherewithal to put professional pool on solid footing.

Now that would be a legacy, not some old stuffy museum that has to be funded with a few dozen Super Jumbo CD's that only a handful of people will ever visit.

Put your money, talent and knowledge to work making professional pool something where all of the professional poolplayers can actually make a decent living for decades to come. That means getting professional pool to television on a regular LIVE BASIS or even a short lived reality show.

Surely, your talents, energy and dough couldn't be better utilized?

JoeyA
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Joey,

You are behind the times, helping pro pool was one of fatboy's commitments last year. Like con men and politicians he doesn't expect anyone to remember last years blandishments.

A new year, new carrots!

Hu
 
JoeyA said:
Fatboy,
I guess I just think differently than some people and while I'm not your dream keeper........

You should put those dreams on hold and use your wherewithal to put professional pool on solid footing.

Now that would be a legacy, not some old stuffy museum that has to be funded with a few dozen Super Jumbo CD's that only a handful of people will ever visit.

Put your money, talent and knowledge to work making professional pool something where all of the professional poolplayers can actually make a decent living for decades to come. That means getting professional pool to television on a regular LIVE BASIS or even a short lived reality show.

Surely, your talents, energy and dough couldn't be better utilized?

JoeyA
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I agree pro pool is 100% more of a interest of mine and doing something there, the meusium is something I cant spell and a dream. Its not going to side track me from pro-pool at all. Its a fun thing to think about but not pratical and certainly wont move pool foward, it would be like a cue collection, just a personal thing.


We did the Fatboy Challenge this year as you know, it was a huge success. Last year this time I was making $8,000,000/yr so I had alot of disposable income of which some would have been ear tagged for pool, well now I dont have that income. I'm making about $450,000/yr and my bills are $1,200,000/yr. Which sucks because "When your out go is more than your income, your upkeep will be your down fall". Thats currently the case, however I do have the wedding biz on deck and we are booking weddings, slowly but we are, I'd guess $40,000 in the last 3 weeks with half that being profit. Still in the red:frown: . But I dont have much marketing out there yet, or sales girls. when I do I will fill that gap-the $60,000-$70,000 deficiate i'm running every month to live, and I aint spending anything on myself except the trip to the Derby.


I added $4,000 to the FB Challenge this year and will do more next year(very little $$$ looking at the big picture). Getting the room here at my house finished-that will lead to good things. I have spoke to other "Big" guys in pro pool about a west coast Derby type event. With the current economy hotels are negoating, pool hasnt taken a big hit(derby numbers showed that) so there is oppertunity now, perhaps better than ever. Got to watch and see. I sure as heck cant fix pro pool this year, i dont know if I can fix my own probs this year, but I havent lost sight of what I want to do. and will do. It will take time.

Those are my numbers, not many people even talk about what they make, me i make it public info, why not its only $$$, I'm not ashamed of what I make or dont make. I'm in the red now so what??? Just slows down what I want to do thats all, it dosent define who I am or how good I am. More $$$ dosent make me a better person, same as less dosent make me less of a man. Sure I'd like to hurry things up and do more for pro-pool, but how right now? I'm on track to do things, just need time. If I realize I cant do anything, I will step up and announce the fact that "I CANT DO IT!!!" until I say that, i'm working towards my goals in pro pool. I am not going to string anyone along. come see for yourself.


As far as the knockers go-I love them, they just motivate me. When I was a kid my Grand-ma awalyus said "Those fancy cars, big houses etc., arnt for people like us". That upset me to no end. "people like us" I said are no different than anyone else, you see the depression knocked her and she lost her spirit, I never had my will to win beat out of me, knockers(you know who you are) motivate me. I'm the fat kid from a hick town that made it out and lived the life most dream of-and I thank the knockers for the motivation, its fun to prove them wrong and benefit from the proof, and if they are so smart why aint they living the life??? they claim to but they dont.


But back to pool:

priority:
1. my game
2. making pro's $$$ some way some how(I dont have it all figured out)
3. meeting new people in pool and nuturing my current relationships.
4. meusuim


any questions? all the cards are on the table, my financial situation(which changed alot, losing 95% of your income just sucks, aint crying just picking up the pieces), my intentions, addressed the knockers, and listed my prioritys. Joey You hugly talented in writing and commentary and I consider you a good friend. I admire your talent as a person, player, gentalman, your very smart and I think pragmatic(i'm not sure of the defination of pragmatic but i think it fits you-i will google it later, i'm not editing this post), people like you are the most important part of what ever it is I can do for pool, just throwing $$$ at it wrecklessly isnt the solution, good people and light $$$ isnt good wither i need both and am working on that.

sincerly

eric petersen
 
Eric,

I remember this meusium idea of yours isn't somthing new. I remember you commented on one of my posts about antique european cue's, saying you would love to have a huge display with some of the nicest cue's.

If with time the finances get better, and you are breaking even again and get options again, I think you should continue this dream for personal interest and not for a commercial interest.

If anything, what makes antique's interesting is the increase in value, but not the commercialisation of them. I don't think your meusium could ever be profitable if set up alone. It see it more as a complimentary thing. An added value to something that exists.

If your mariage place, will hosts many tournaments, classes etc, i think its the perfect place to build en extension to it, and setup the meusium there. People wont drive a full day to come see the meusium alone.(not many antique lovers out there). And with the lack of places to show nice antiques, the younger generation dont have many stimuli to learn about the history of the game.
But if there was a tournament/classes AND a meusium the added value would make the place stand out compared to other places.

In england, the wembley tournament atracts the most croud, and the "antique" room probably is one of the reasons that makes it special.

I would see the meusium as an investment with increase of around 10%/year on each item of the collection. (thats an average based on personal experience, and experience i rescieved of other collectioners before i started collecting.) If you build a place to display them all, and have a collection big enough (you are talking about a cuecollection of 3M $, that collection will be worth 6M in 10years. The 3M you earned could be enough to pay for the expenses. (no idea about the exact math, but if the collection is big enough, it could pay for itself.)

A place that hosts tournament, that ass added value have:
- A fixed base for a table mechanic/repair like glenn.
- A place that has all the material to make professional broadcasting of tournaments/ instructional dvd's etc...
- A place that hosts poolschools
- A place that has a meusium, with all the nicest items of the games history
- A place that could build a elite pooltable. in the line of the antique JM brunswick or HW collender tables. Tables that are inlayed with gold, with many many months of craftmanship, build by hand, with the best of the best material. Your own pooltable line.
- it might even be the perfect spot to make a new poolmovie from the old days. It would be the perfect setting. Imagine seeing a Shane play one of the older hall of fames for 10k on a antique JM brunswick table.


THAT would be a cool place. because they offer all these things together.
I'm pritty sure that stand alone, they arent strong enough to make it a profitable business. Its the combined service that makes it atractive.

for example on your wedding place. (i dont know the details) but it could for example offer as added value:(aka if you book the room, you could get a package deal where you pay 1 price for: the room +++
- wedding planer
- profesional photografers
- someone who would take care of the wedding presents list
- dancing lessons for the couple
- All inn honeymoon trips in corporation with several traveling agencies (making promotion for your place)
etc etc.. the list is endless.


(on the other hand, history isn't about profit. It's about preserving the memory and giving credits to the persons who deserve it. If i had your bankrole, i would do it, no matter if I lose money on it on the long wrong. If people like you don't do anything to preserve the history, the game will never regain his status it had in the 1700's... The game was played by elite people, kings, high ranked military persons, high society. Maybe by showing this to the world, could the game get his status back.)

just my 0.2c and some food for the mind.

IF anything, business is all about timing :)

I wish you the best Eric, and i hope the wedding business will start running profitable, and that the bankrole will alow you to realise new dreams soon.
 
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Fatboy said:
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As far as the knockers go-I love them, they just motivate me. When I was a kid my Grand-ma awalyus said "Those fancy cars, big houses etc., arnt for people like us". That upset me to no end. "people like us" I said are no different than anyone else, you see the depression knocked her and she lost her spirit, I never had my will to win beat out of me, knockers(you know who you are) motivate me. I'm the fat kid from a hick town that made it out and lived the life most dream of-and I thank the knockers for the motivation, its fun to prove them wrong and benefit from the proof, and if they are so smart why aint they living the life??? they claim to but they dont.

. . .

sincerly

eric petersen
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fatboy,

Every dime you have came from conning the old, the desperate and the dumb. When you claimed to be making $8,000 to $12,000 a day you were going to help pro pool in a few years. Now there is no money coming in so you are going to help pro pool "in a few years" always the carrot dangling in front of the people you think are too dumb or desperate to realize that you are stringing the same old BS that has carried you this far.

What has gotten you this far isn't the great brains you brag about but a total lack of morals or consideration for other people. What you aren't bright enough to realize is that most people wouldn't trade their lives for yours given the chance. A big home, possessions, the best friends money can buy, and two bodyguards to protect you everywhere you go from the hundreds of thousands of people you have mislead into deeper trouble than they were already in. Most people don't find that any too appealing. Add that your head is totally wrecked by guilt and years of fear that some of the things you have done will catch up with you. Only you think that your life is to be admired or envied.

I don't consider myself a knocker but judging by the fact this post and your new thread about "saint eric" were written in response to my reply to your Private Message telling you I don't buy your BS apparently you consider me one. There is an old saying in my neck of the woods, money talks and bullshit walks. So far you have came on here for years and talked big and spent pocket change. According to your claims you have spent a few hours income on bettering pool. Many on here have spent far more than that in the same time frame.

You have knocked my past accomplishments repeatedly lately. What can you say to match them besides that you have bilked the old, the desperate, and the dumb? Most of us aren't impressed with your record of criminal activities and barely skirting the law. What have you done productive in life??? What have you accomplished that wasn't accomplished using dirty money??

Why should the pool world embrace a lightweight version of Kevin Trudeau?

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
fatboy,

Every dime you have came from conning the old, the desperate and the dumb. When you claimed to be making $8,000 to $12,000 a day you were going to help pro pool in a few years. Now there is no money coming in so you are going to help pro pool "in a few years" always the carrot dangling in front of the people you think are too dumb or desperate to realize that you are stringing the same old BS that has carried you this far.

What has gotten you this far isn't the great brains you brag about but a total lack of morals or consideration for other people. What you aren't bright enough to realize is that most people wouldn't trade their lives for yours given the chance. A big home, possessions, the best friends money can buy, and two bodyguards to protect you everywhere you go from the hundreds of thousands of people you have mislead into deeper trouble than they were already in. Most people don't find that any too appealing. Add that your head is totally wrecked by guilt and years of fear that some of the things you have done will catch up with you. Only you think that your life is to be admired or envied.

I don't consider myself a knocker but judging by the fact this post and your new thread about "saint eric" were written in response to my reply to your Private Message telling you I don't buy your BS apparently you consider me one. There is an old saying in my neck of the woods, money talks and bullshit walks. So far you have came on here for years and talked big and spent pocket change. According to your claims you have spent a few hours income on bettering pool. Many on here have spent far more than that in the same time frame.

You have knocked my past accomplishments repeatedly lately. What can you say to match them besides that you have bilked the old, the desperate, and the dumb? Most of us aren't impressed with your record of criminal activities and barely skirting the law. What have you done productive in life??? What have you accomplished that wasn't accomplished using dirty money??

Why should the pool world embrace a lightweight version of Kevin Trudeau?

Hu
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nice try Hu,

if i scammed the world i wouldnt have been biz for 11 years, or paid my taxes or put titled assetts in my name(still have them).

I did make maybe $200,000 in dirty $$$ back around 94 and have admitted to it, and I'm ashamed for what i did, but that was the only dirty $$$ I ever made.

Hu I will gladly show you all theadvertizing materials for the last biz that lasted 11 years, we closed it ourselfs because of the economy-we DIDNT GET SHUT DOWN, we operated with in the law and a concent decreee with the FTC from 99 until we closed with ZERO violations.


So say what you like about me try and discredit me, you cant! your barking up the wrong tree, and taking on a case the Gavt coulnt win, in all of your wisdom what makes you think you have some thing on me that no one else does??? you dont. you lose. I win.


I'm doing everyhitng I an for pool, people like you(the haters) will benefit and thats ok with me too. Because at the end of the day I know I have done more good than harm in life. and wasnt sitting on the sidelines of life hiding behind a HUGE beard pointing fingers. I'm a player, in the game-and that I wouldnt change for anything in the world.

my warmest regards

eric A petersen
 
I'm really disappointed that this same old biz has to pop up again, Hu should know better. I dont understand his frustraition lately with me, the other day he RED reps me, I wasnt online mot of the day...what ever.

Now this old biz, I thought he was better than this. its widely known. Why he is attacking me I dont understand.

Hu is VERY smart and has accomplished alot of successful things in life, we are very much the same, chronic pain guys, pool players(he was a better player), we like shooting. I'm a hunter I believe Hu was a tartget shooter. He has helped me through some though times with my back and the operations a couple years ago. I still consider him a friend. He dosent consider me a friend right now, I sincerly hope he changes his mind about me.


I will not knock any thing Hu has ever done, ever hius post here-its his computer let him type away, let it out buddy. I hope what ever is troubling him goes away soon(unless its me;) ) i'm staying here-true IU havent been here as much, gotta work nowdays:frown: ,


So in summery no hard feelings Hu, I still consider you a friend(perhaps just having a bad day) what you did irrates me, but I can handle that. No biggie I have alot of REAL problems from REAL sources to deal with. And thats what I'm going to go do is deal with them. Its called the wedding biz, gosh what a pain!!! and making $$$. I'm running over $60,000/month in the RED without construction costs in there. OUCH!! So buddy you do your thing I'm going to sign off and do mine.

have a great day!

your friend
eric

PS: Shoot straight!
 
Eric -

I think what you are trying to do is cool.

I understand your spelling deficiencies and have no problem with that either, but could you correct your spelling in the thread title to "museum" at some point?

Thanks.
 
tell me when things start looking familiar

This is the way fatboy talks to his "friend".

(included text)
"i tried to help a guy he shit on me, but atleast I didnt indulge him in his pity party, sure I feel like shit were losing him, thats WHY I DID SOMETHING ASSHOLE< WTF DID YOU DO TALK TO HIM AND PM HIM???? I HAVE ALOT OF $$$ AND JUICE WITH DRS AND WAS DOING MORE THAN YOU COULD IMAGINE< so go back to your past memorys of being a marksman, reloader, gunssmith, pro pool player what ever the FVCK your were so good at and relish the memories"
(end included text)

We are specifically forbidden to provide links or quotes from public records on this forum but anyone can do searches on eric peterson + consumer credit services or eric pererson + consumer credit services and pull up the relevant information. His activities have been found to be illegal in the past as I have stated. What is more, his legal activities were what any decent human being would consider unethical and he deliberately had them vetted by the justice dept according to his own claims to skirt the laws while being as misleading and confusing as possible within the law, using the tiniest text the justice department would allow also.

Seems like he was banned from doing business in the state he lives in and his business is based in too. Sounds like a fine upstanding operation!

eric, plain and simple, tell me one thing in my post titled "facts" that is untrue. I do have records of all of the trash you have sent me from day one and the sick crap you have posted here. I can post PM's and I can send the deleted forum messages to respected posters for their opinion of what you did since those can't be reposted due to forum rules either.

You being the Efren of words is little short of hilarious. Matter of fact, that is my sig line for awhile!

Hu

When its a war of words Im Efren (quote from fatboy)
 
ScottW said:
You think you guys could take this noise to PMs?
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i agree, and keep the PM's private.

too much biz in the streets, only smart guys keep their pie hole shut. Posting PM's LOL weak...
 
metallicane said:
Eric -

I think what you are trying to do is cool.

I understand your spelling deficiencies and have no problem with that either, but could you correct your spelling in the thread title to "museum" at some point?

Thanks.
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LOL

I knew it was wrong when I started the thread and I went to google to get the correct spelling and couldnt i was so far off, sorry.

I will try and change it now-Change we can believe in....:D


LOL I like your post here REP comming soon as it lets me.:smile:



EDIT: I cant change the title of the thread. I know for sure Mods can. Perhaps Mr. Wilson will get me out of this jam i'm in here. :)
 
weaker yet to be two-faced

Fatboy said:
i agree, and keep the PM's private.

too much biz in the streets, only smart guys keep their pie hole shut. Posting PM's LOL weak...
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Weaker yet to put on a phony front in public and spout filth and wild rants in PM's.

As you know I PM'ed you pretty much the exact same thing in private as I have written here before you started taking some cheap shots in public.

I can stand the light of day shown on everything I have ever written, public or private. Can you say the same about either?

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
I can stand the light of day shown on everything I have ever written, public or private. Can you say the same about either?
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You're laboring under the mistaken assumption that the rest of us *care*.

A public forum is no place for a catfight.
 
I have known Eric Petersen since he was a pool scuff trying to make a dollar. He was a pretty sharp kid twenty years ago, when he was running with big John Morton, who posted here regularly (Rude Dog) until he passed away a couple of years ago.

Eric dropped off the pool map for a good fifteen years and when he resurfaced he had become quite wealthy. He showed up at a tournament in Los Angeles and immediately demonstrated that he was free spender, buying cues and other billiard materials. Since then he has managed to almost single handedly prop up the rare cue market buying literally hundreds of thousand of dollars in high end cues.

He has also helped out many well known players who had a case of the shorts, if you know what I mean. And I'm talking serious money here, like 10K a pop. And more in some cases, with only a handshake as a bond. In addition when many pro players come to events in Vegas, they have a free place to stay (at his version of Motel 6) and even a car to drive. This helps them defray their expenses greatly. He was also generous in hosting dinners with many pool players. I never saw him fail to pick up the check.

Eric has also staked several prominent players in tournaments and action games. In other words he is a full fledged dues paying member of the pro pool fraternity. At least IMO he is. And we do know he added $4,000 to the first Fatboy Challenge last month, and promised to double it next year.

It is true that he has not yet done many of the things he would like to do in the pool world. I think the declining economy has affected Eric just like it has most everyone else. I do believe his heart is in the right place and he wants to do more for the sport, and he probably will when he can turn things around on a personal level. As far as his past businesses, I just don't think that discussion is relevant or belongs on here. How many of us would like to see our past dredged up for review?

Eric has been troubled with various pain medications that he needed to control his SEVERE back pain. He seems to have turned a corner here as well. Yes, he has a temper. Don't we all? No one likes to be accused of things and belittled for their efforts. I know I have been pretty ticked off on here a few times myself.

That's about all I have to say on this subject. Personally, I think the pool world is better off by having Eric Petersen be part of it. As far as I'm concerned he can stay as long as he likes and leave whenever he wants. Unlike some others who have made big promises to pool players, Eric makes good on his bills, and when he says he will pay he does. My experience has been if he says the money is good, then it is! And that's good enough for me.
 
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Jay,

When fatboy constantly boasts about his money and makes light of other's accomplishments while claiming they would love to be like him it is only fair to point out just where the money comes from and that many others have absolutely no interest in achieving wealth by taking advantage of others.

I had a string of successful businesses. Every one of them was built on giving fair value for every dollar I received. Since you know eric and his history so well, can you say the same is true of him?

Many on here have health issues that make eric's pale in comparison. That hasn't given any of them special privilege here. Have I missed something about pain or drug use giving us the right to type anything we please?

eric has chosen to attack me publicly and privately. I won't attack him in return, make insane rants, or type filthy messages in public or private. I will shine the light of day on him and his actions whenever I choose. Nobody else on this forum gets a free pass. Nobody else on this forum has spread quite as much BS as eric has nor has anyone at all posted as sick of garbage as he has posted without being banned. Is there some reason I don't know about that he should get a free pass with nobody able to respond to his BS when no other poster gets a free pass?

Hu


jay helfert said:
I have known Eric Petersen since he was a pool scuff trying to make a dollar. He was a pretty sharp kid twenty years ago, when he was running with big John Morton, who posted here regularly (Rude Dog) until he passed away a couple of years ago.

Eric dropped off the pool map for a good fifteen years and when he resurfaced he had become quite wealthy. He showed up at a tournament in Los Angeles and immediately demonstrated that he was free spender, buying cues and other billiard materials. Since then he has managed to almost single handedly prop up the rare cue market buying literally hundreds of thousand of dollars in high end cues.

He has also helped out many well known players who had a case of the shorts, if you know what I mean. And I'm talking serious money here, like 10K a pop. And more in some cases, with only a handshake as a bond. In addition when many pro players come to events in Vegas, they have a free place to stay (at his version of Motel 6) and even a car to drive. This helps them defray their expenses greatly. He was also generous in hosting dinners with many pool players. I never saw him fail to pick up the check.

Eric has also staked several prominent players in tournaments and action games. In other words he is a full fledged dues paying member of the pro pool fraternity. At least IMO he is. And we do know he added $4,000 to the first Fatboy Challenge last month, and promised to double it next year.

It is true that he has not yet done many of the things he would like to do in the pool world. I think the declining economy has affected Eric just like it has most everyone else. I do believe his heart is in the right place and he wants to do more for the sport, and he probably will when he can turn things around on a personal level. As far as his past businesses, I just don't think that discussion is relevant or belongs on here. How many of us would like to see our past dredged up for review?

Eric has been troubled with various pain medications that he needed to control his SEVERE back pain. He seems to have turned a corner here as well. Yes, he has a temper. Don't we all? No one likes to be accused of things and belittled for their efforts. I know I have been pretty ticked off on here a few times myself.

That's about all I have to say on this subject. Personally, I think the pool world is better off by having Eric Petersen be part of it. As far as I'm concerned he can stay as long as he likes and leave whenever he wants. Unlike some others who have made big promises to pool players, Eric makes good on his bills, and when he says he will pay he does. My experience has been if he says the money is good, then it is! And that's good enough for me.
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speaking of assumptions

ScottW said:
You're laboring under the mistaken assumption that the rest of us *care*.

A public forum is no place for a catfight.
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Scott,

You are laboring under the mistaken assumption you speak for all other posters. Quite a few seem to be very interested in what I have to say concerning fatboy. Some find it enlightening, some find it humorous, some find it both enlightening and humorous.

I do promise not to compel those that aren't interested to read my posts.

Hu
 
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