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”Cue Tips: Does A Soft Tip Grab More Than A Hard Tip?” Written By: Fast Larry Guninger
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Trust me, it’s true, just go hard and you’re fine. You have to get out of your brain this thing that the soft tip grabs the ball; it does not grab as you think it does. There is no time to grab. The Jacksonville experiment using the world’s fastest camera proved that upon impact the cue ball is gone in 1000th of a second. Actung, Actung, there is no grab.
Where is the time to grab? Answer: there is no time, therefore there is no grab, there is no grab, is there an echo in here, tattoo that inside your eye lids. You have to bitch slap people to get them to accept this.
I was playing with a Champion red felt backed medium soft tip by Chan divert at the time because I wanted my tip to grab. I did not know.
I remember going into the Schuler custom cue factory in Chicago and Ray explaining to me the Triangle, which is very hard, and Ray saying I am going to put on a Morri on your shaft, on your back up shaft I will install a triangle. Now go shoot with both, and you will find the performance very close.
The morri will last longer, but the cost is 50 cents compared to 20 bucks. I did, Ray was right, damn I said, hard is better. I was practicing my Masses and Ray was teaching me many European Billiard Masses I could adapt to the pool table. He also taught me the European method of shooting these. He handed me a shaft to use for the masses and I said what tip does it have on it, he said triangle.
I went oh no, I can't use that, I am using an elk master so I can grab the ball, this damn grab thing was still in my head, I could not get rid of it, it will hold on like some disease you can never get free of. Ray said hit the triangle and I kept Miss Cueing saying see, I told you so it won't grab. Ray said keep shooting; you will learn the new hit and feel. Once I got past the fear of the miss cue, he was right, the harder tip, produced much more spin, power and curves, I was speechless, totally shocked beyond words, to have what I knew, to now be reversed on me and proven what I knew to be fact, was in fact dead ass wrong. The miss cues went away and my power went through the roof. I am really from Missouri, the show me state, so I got every tip I would find which was 28 I think was and spent months testing every one in a variety of shots to see which one gave me the most performance. I did follows, draws, you name it and I was shooting it. What I found was this, a soft tip does nothing well, the softer the tip, the less performance you get. The harder the tip, the greater performance.
All soft tips do is mushroom and wear out fast. A good hard tip can stay on for over a year. A triangle will never mushroom, never. I am so pig headed; I had to spend 2 months proving to my self, what Ray had already told me. I just could not believe my eyes, that was the problem with me. I was using the backed soft tip because of my ivory ferrule to soften the hit. Put a triangle on an ivory ferrule and the hit is like a rock. Ray convinced me to drop my ivory ferrules because of the huge deflections and go hard and with triangle across the board. He put me in the billiard short ferrules for added strength. My performance and consistency sky rocketed. Most of my world records came out of this. Here's the deal, a tip is like a trampoline, if its real soft, it caves in, crushes down, collapses on the hit and the ball then propels off with much less power. The softer tip is killing the action off of the ball by absorbing the impact of the hit. Throw a baseball into a cement wall and watch it come back, now toss the ball into a rubber drape over the wall and watch it absorb the impact and comes off with less power, which is your answer to your question you first asked. The triangle is firm and hard and does not do any of this, and it propels the ball off with greater spin and power. The harder the tip, the better it draws, but you can cross a line on hardness where the tip can do some amazing things, but you can't hold chalk well and using English you are going to miss cue some, this I can not live with. More is not always better here. Most of the water buffalos out there now are over the line. Triangle is right on the line, the top end of hardiness you can handle. I call it the poor mans Morri. Tweeten makes most of the tips that have been played with and they do not want you to know what the hardness of them are, they keep that secret. Here it is, the entire line is mostly soft tips. Why, say you were making all the tires for cars and they only got 10,000 miles but people had signed off on that, need a soft tire to hold the road. Why then would you come along and make a hard tire that would out perform the old tire and give people 50,000 miles of wear. You just drastically reduced your annual profits that are your answer. That is why the soft tip was pushed on you. They push and sell an inferior product on you for their own corporate greed. That is why they always hid what the hardness of each one was; they did not want you to know.
This little Japanese sitting in his apartment comes up with a very hard tip when the pro world was on Lepros, a med tip and elk masters, a soft tip, his name was Morri. He did not have a clue what a corporation was, he just wanted to make a tip that played well. A few pros try them, the performance astounds them and the tip almost over night becomes the one of choice on tour. It spreads by word of mouth like wild fire. The old dogs, the over the hill crowd stayed with their ivory ferrules and soft tips. You can’t teach old dogs new tricks. Soon the amateur world got wind of this, and hard tips were now in. I recently did the same experiments I did in single layered tips against all the multilayer stuff out there today. I do not like any of the water buffalos, too hard. In the pig skin, Talisman out played and out performed the Morri hands down. They come in s,m,h,x and break tips which are as hard as they can make them. I have them all in stock. I play with the H, most club players should begin with the s, learn it and try and move up slowly to the M. I break with the X; I use the x for my artistic draw shots. The s follows the ball best on my force follows. Hard is good, soft is bad, that is all you have to know. I can sell you the Triangles which are pressed which increases their performance, or the Talisman pig skins, I have all 5 in stock, just email me at fastlarry@bellsouth.net Questions & Answers: Q: Hi Fast, I read on one of your posts that the better players play with harder tips? Why is that? Especially since with a softer tip one can get more spin and less miscuing. Would you be so kind as to explain that to me? I'm really out of my depth here. I have an Elk master on my shaft (please don't laugh). I used to play with a LePro, but I miscued a lot. With the Elk master, that has almost disappeared. Your response would be much appreciated A: FL Responds. If you rough up you tip now and then with a sandpaper file and don’t break with it, chalk correctly on every shot, you should rarely miss cue if you stay within one tip of center in any direction. If you are you need a lesson on your stroke. Many do not know how to chalk a tip which is the cause of their
miscues; you brush the tip and try to put on a very thin even layer. It you hear the chalk squeak you are doing it wrong, grinding on too thick of a layer which is not good. I do not use those $20 tip shapers. I use a $3 plastic file that is curved and holds 100 grit sand papers in it. It takes some practice and skill to learn how to use it and shape a tip but then you can make your tip play the way you want it to. I think going to a harder tip is all in your head. You are convinced mentally you are going to miss cue more, so you do. I play with the hardest tip possible, an X Talisman and rarely miss cue. It’s a mental leap of faith you must drive your self through. Good luck. Q: Net question: Impulse Hi Larry, Are you saying that the impulse between a soft and hard tip are the same? A: FL Responds: I am sorry; I do not know what an impulse is? All you need to know is this, soft tip suck, hard tip good. Best hard tip talisman pig skin S grade. Put that on, win and feel good. Best Ferrule, Meucci red or black dot, predator 314. The most important thing on your cue is your tip, then your ferrule. Get just those two things right and your performance jumps through the roof. Next is the shaft and the wood and taper, two things to know, Meucci, Predator. Last the joint and it does not amount to 4% of the cues performance. I now play with a plastic joint and a Meucci PP-4. The butt, where all the money is spend, you could put my red dot on a broom handle and I can run out from under a rock on you. The butt is for show. Impulse, I want a drink, I want to date that chick, and I will run that traffic light and not get killed or get a ticket, I want a big steak instead of a salad. What is impulse? Seriously, avoid soft tips, they just mushroom and go away fast. They do suck. A soft tip does not impart more English than a hard one, it is just the opposite. The cue ball leaves the tip at impact with in 1000th of a second which was proven by the Jacksonville experiment and that is an accepted fact. where is the time to grab.
A hard tip out performs a soft tip on every stroke in the game. You were on a med hard lepro, a good tip. You went to a very soft which is the elk master. The best tip there is: Get a Talisman, pig skin soft, the performance is out standing. My tests have proven to me my friend that the Talisman really is better than the Morri. The softer tip absorbs energy at impact, folds in which sends the cue ball away with less energy, less follow, draw or spin. The hard tip rebounds the cue ball off hotter, with more energy, follow, draw and spin. It has nothing to do with grab, that is a fallacy all in your mind you must get rid of, there is little grab so do not buy a tip to do something it does not have time to do. I tested over 25 tips for over 2 months putting them through every test I could come up with. The best single layered tip I found that worked the best was the hardest one out there, the Triangle, which should only cost about a buck and install for around $10. The great news is its performance will rival the Morri especially if you press it prior to installation. I have them now in stock for you. You take a ball bearing in a vice and press it down into the center of the tip causing a dent or crater. That means, no break in, the tip plays the same from day one on and it never changes its shape or mushrooms or spreads, never. When I tested all of the new multi layered tips there are many Morri copies, sniper, Hercules. They all take pig skin and glue thin layers on top of each other. The one I found worked the best was the Talisman, it definitely out performed the Morri and it sells for about half what the Morri does. They come in 5 types, S,M,H,X and the new break tip which is as hard as they can make one. Do not be confused, the S is not soft, they are all 5 very hard. The s is just softer than the X. Begin playing with the s or m and put the X on your break stick. The new Morri’s are too thick and is not as good as they used to be. The talisman is thinner and better made. We all know a thin tip out performs a very thick tip which is what the Morri now is. Because the Talisman has one third less layers it will not last as long as the Morri but that is your trade off you pay for its increased draw and follow you get.
Products Discussed In This Report: Tips Talisman Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Morri Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Lepro Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Hercules Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Elk Master Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Sniper Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Water Buffalo Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL “Fast Larry” Guninger http://www.fastlarrypool.com Pool Lessons From A Grand Master Level Instructor, Billiards Expert & Former Artistic World Champion Phone: 770-381-6609 Fax: 770-381-1916
Another Fast Lesson
”Cue Tips: Does A Soft Tip Grab More Than A Hard Tip?” Written By: Fast Larry Guninger
http://www.fastlarrypool.com
Brought To You By: Richard Aubin
http://www.poolplayingtips.com
Trust me, it’s true, just go hard and you’re fine. You have to get out of your brain this thing that the soft tip grabs the ball; it does not grab as you think it does. There is no time to grab. The Jacksonville experiment using the world’s fastest camera proved that upon impact the cue ball is gone in 1000th of a second. Actung, Actung, there is no grab.
Where is the time to grab? Answer: there is no time, therefore there is no grab, there is no grab, is there an echo in here, tattoo that inside your eye lids. You have to bitch slap people to get them to accept this.
I was playing with a Champion red felt backed medium soft tip by Chan divert at the time because I wanted my tip to grab. I did not know.
I remember going into the Schuler custom cue factory in Chicago and Ray explaining to me the Triangle, which is very hard, and Ray saying I am going to put on a Morri on your shaft, on your back up shaft I will install a triangle. Now go shoot with both, and you will find the performance very close.
The morri will last longer, but the cost is 50 cents compared to 20 bucks. I did, Ray was right, damn I said, hard is better. I was practicing my Masses and Ray was teaching me many European Billiard Masses I could adapt to the pool table. He also taught me the European method of shooting these. He handed me a shaft to use for the masses and I said what tip does it have on it, he said triangle.
I went oh no, I can't use that, I am using an elk master so I can grab the ball, this damn grab thing was still in my head, I could not get rid of it, it will hold on like some disease you can never get free of. Ray said hit the triangle and I kept Miss Cueing saying see, I told you so it won't grab. Ray said keep shooting; you will learn the new hit and feel. Once I got past the fear of the miss cue, he was right, the harder tip, produced much more spin, power and curves, I was speechless, totally shocked beyond words, to have what I knew, to now be reversed on me and proven what I knew to be fact, was in fact dead ass wrong. The miss cues went away and my power went through the roof. I am really from Missouri, the show me state, so I got every tip I would find which was 28 I think was and spent months testing every one in a variety of shots to see which one gave me the most performance. I did follows, draws, you name it and I was shooting it. What I found was this, a soft tip does nothing well, the softer the tip, the less performance you get. The harder the tip, the greater performance.
All soft tips do is mushroom and wear out fast. A good hard tip can stay on for over a year. A triangle will never mushroom, never. I am so pig headed; I had to spend 2 months proving to my self, what Ray had already told me. I just could not believe my eyes, that was the problem with me. I was using the backed soft tip because of my ivory ferrule to soften the hit. Put a triangle on an ivory ferrule and the hit is like a rock. Ray convinced me to drop my ivory ferrules because of the huge deflections and go hard and with triangle across the board. He put me in the billiard short ferrules for added strength. My performance and consistency sky rocketed. Most of my world records came out of this. Here's the deal, a tip is like a trampoline, if its real soft, it caves in, crushes down, collapses on the hit and the ball then propels off with much less power. The softer tip is killing the action off of the ball by absorbing the impact of the hit. Throw a baseball into a cement wall and watch it come back, now toss the ball into a rubber drape over the wall and watch it absorb the impact and comes off with less power, which is your answer to your question you first asked. The triangle is firm and hard and does not do any of this, and it propels the ball off with greater spin and power. The harder the tip, the better it draws, but you can cross a line on hardness where the tip can do some amazing things, but you can't hold chalk well and using English you are going to miss cue some, this I can not live with. More is not always better here. Most of the water buffalos out there now are over the line. Triangle is right on the line, the top end of hardiness you can handle. I call it the poor mans Morri. Tweeten makes most of the tips that have been played with and they do not want you to know what the hardness of them are, they keep that secret. Here it is, the entire line is mostly soft tips. Why, say you were making all the tires for cars and they only got 10,000 miles but people had signed off on that, need a soft tire to hold the road. Why then would you come along and make a hard tire that would out perform the old tire and give people 50,000 miles of wear. You just drastically reduced your annual profits that are your answer. That is why the soft tip was pushed on you. They push and sell an inferior product on you for their own corporate greed. That is why they always hid what the hardness of each one was; they did not want you to know.
This little Japanese sitting in his apartment comes up with a very hard tip when the pro world was on Lepros, a med tip and elk masters, a soft tip, his name was Morri. He did not have a clue what a corporation was, he just wanted to make a tip that played well. A few pros try them, the performance astounds them and the tip almost over night becomes the one of choice on tour. It spreads by word of mouth like wild fire. The old dogs, the over the hill crowd stayed with their ivory ferrules and soft tips. You can’t teach old dogs new tricks. Soon the amateur world got wind of this, and hard tips were now in. I recently did the same experiments I did in single layered tips against all the multilayer stuff out there today. I do not like any of the water buffalos, too hard. In the pig skin, Talisman out played and out performed the Morri hands down. They come in s,m,h,x and break tips which are as hard as they can make them. I have them all in stock. I play with the H, most club players should begin with the s, learn it and try and move up slowly to the M. I break with the X; I use the x for my artistic draw shots. The s follows the ball best on my force follows. Hard is good, soft is bad, that is all you have to know. I can sell you the Triangles which are pressed which increases their performance, or the Talisman pig skins, I have all 5 in stock, just email me at fastlarry@bellsouth.net Questions & Answers: Q: Hi Fast, I read on one of your posts that the better players play with harder tips? Why is that? Especially since with a softer tip one can get more spin and less miscuing. Would you be so kind as to explain that to me? I'm really out of my depth here. I have an Elk master on my shaft (please don't laugh). I used to play with a LePro, but I miscued a lot. With the Elk master, that has almost disappeared. Your response would be much appreciated A: FL Responds. If you rough up you tip now and then with a sandpaper file and don’t break with it, chalk correctly on every shot, you should rarely miss cue if you stay within one tip of center in any direction. If you are you need a lesson on your stroke. Many do not know how to chalk a tip which is the cause of their
miscues; you brush the tip and try to put on a very thin even layer. It you hear the chalk squeak you are doing it wrong, grinding on too thick of a layer which is not good. I do not use those $20 tip shapers. I use a $3 plastic file that is curved and holds 100 grit sand papers in it. It takes some practice and skill to learn how to use it and shape a tip but then you can make your tip play the way you want it to. I think going to a harder tip is all in your head. You are convinced mentally you are going to miss cue more, so you do. I play with the hardest tip possible, an X Talisman and rarely miss cue. It’s a mental leap of faith you must drive your self through. Good luck. Q: Net question: Impulse Hi Larry, Are you saying that the impulse between a soft and hard tip are the same? A: FL Responds: I am sorry; I do not know what an impulse is? All you need to know is this, soft tip suck, hard tip good. Best hard tip talisman pig skin S grade. Put that on, win and feel good. Best Ferrule, Meucci red or black dot, predator 314. The most important thing on your cue is your tip, then your ferrule. Get just those two things right and your performance jumps through the roof. Next is the shaft and the wood and taper, two things to know, Meucci, Predator. Last the joint and it does not amount to 4% of the cues performance. I now play with a plastic joint and a Meucci PP-4. The butt, where all the money is spend, you could put my red dot on a broom handle and I can run out from under a rock on you. The butt is for show. Impulse, I want a drink, I want to date that chick, and I will run that traffic light and not get killed or get a ticket, I want a big steak instead of a salad. What is impulse? Seriously, avoid soft tips, they just mushroom and go away fast. They do suck. A soft tip does not impart more English than a hard one, it is just the opposite. The cue ball leaves the tip at impact with in 1000th of a second which was proven by the Jacksonville experiment and that is an accepted fact. where is the time to grab.
A hard tip out performs a soft tip on every stroke in the game. You were on a med hard lepro, a good tip. You went to a very soft which is the elk master. The best tip there is: Get a Talisman, pig skin soft, the performance is out standing. My tests have proven to me my friend that the Talisman really is better than the Morri. The softer tip absorbs energy at impact, folds in which sends the cue ball away with less energy, less follow, draw or spin. The hard tip rebounds the cue ball off hotter, with more energy, follow, draw and spin. It has nothing to do with grab, that is a fallacy all in your mind you must get rid of, there is little grab so do not buy a tip to do something it does not have time to do. I tested over 25 tips for over 2 months putting them through every test I could come up with. The best single layered tip I found that worked the best was the hardest one out there, the Triangle, which should only cost about a buck and install for around $10. The great news is its performance will rival the Morri especially if you press it prior to installation. I have them now in stock for you. You take a ball bearing in a vice and press it down into the center of the tip causing a dent or crater. That means, no break in, the tip plays the same from day one on and it never changes its shape or mushrooms or spreads, never. When I tested all of the new multi layered tips there are many Morri copies, sniper, Hercules. They all take pig skin and glue thin layers on top of each other. The one I found worked the best was the Talisman, it definitely out performed the Morri and it sells for about half what the Morri does. They come in 5 types, S,M,H,X and the new break tip which is as hard as they can make one. Do not be confused, the S is not soft, they are all 5 very hard. The s is just softer than the X. Begin playing with the s or m and put the X on your break stick. The new Morri’s are too thick and is not as good as they used to be. The talisman is thinner and better made. We all know a thin tip out performs a very thick tip which is what the Morri now is. Because the Talisman has one third less layers it will not last as long as the Morri but that is your trade off you pay for its increased draw and follow you get.
Products Discussed In This Report: Tips Talisman Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Morri Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Lepro Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Hercules Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Elk Master Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Sniper Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions Water Buffalo Tips – Click here for pricing and ordering instructions THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL “Fast Larry” Guninger http://www.fastlarrypool.com Pool Lessons From A Grand Master Level Instructor, Billiards Expert & Former Artistic World Champion Phone: 770-381-6609 Fax: 770-381-1916