Pool Room equipment

[jay helfert]

POOL ROOM CLOSING

We are closing Jay's Billiards at the end of the year. All equipment is for sale, including 16 Brunswick Gold Crowns, 2 Valley Cougars, 1 Antique Brunswick Snooker Table, 5 Display Cases, All Table Lites and Accesories, 60 One Piece Cues, 15 Cocktail Tables and 60 Bar Stools, Restaurant Supplies, Wall Decor, Computer System, Security System, Various Furniture, Extra Theater Seats and more.

Basically, everything needed to open a medium sized pool room. We will sell items individually or in a package. Contact Jay Helfert at (310)370-3994 or e-mail at jayhelfert@yahoo.com

 

[Krypto]

Where is Jay's Billiards?

What is the location of the Business?

 

[cardiac kid]

Hi Jay,

I'm very sad to hear of your closing. We are in some trouble here in Rochester. Another room further east in Upstate New York is also thinking of closing at years end. Did the new California smoking law have anything to do with it? Won't see you in Reno. Good luck in the future.

 

[g monster]

What is the location of the Business?

Jay's is in the Hollywood Park Casino in Ingelwood California.

 

[Teddy Harris]

Hi Jay,
Did the new California smoking law have anything to do with it?(

I don't see how it could considering the indoor smoking law is not new. It has been in effext since I was in California, and that was at least 1996. Besides that, Jay's Billiards did not open until a two or three years ago, if that long.

 

[cardiac kid]

I don't see how it could considering the indoor smoking law is not new. It has been in effext since I was in California, and that was at least 1996. Besides that, Jay's Billiards did not open until a two or three years ago, if that long.

Ted,

Talk to a few of the room owners in Massachusetts. They just enacted a smoking law. Things are just starting to change. Two rooms have already closed. New York's smoking law has decimated the sports bar business. We have to send our customers out the back door to smoke. Take a drink out there and the room could lose its liquor license. Smoke a cig inside and you will be fined. The California law may have been in effect for years. Two rooms I used to frequent east of San Fran both closed this year. Perhaps if your income was derived solely from the retail aspect of the billiard business, every closing would send a shiver up your spine too! Regardless of why Jay is closing his room, it is a loss for all players.

 

[cueball1950]

Smoking laws ruin billiard rooms

I have to agree with the Cardiac Kid on this one Ted. Although i am no longer a smoker i have to agree. Alot of rooms here in NY are losing business at an alarming rate. I know of atleast 2 rooms in the capital district that have closed. ! in Schenectady and 1 in Scotia. it is a terrible way to have to close. One of the guys that closed his room saw his business drop over 60%. You can apply in NY for a waiver. But you have to pay something like 1500 bucks to apply. And if you lose and don't get permission then you lose that money. They have had about 1500 applications submitted so far and only 2 or 3 have been allowed. Pretty small odds i would say. And if you want to serve alcohol in your place. Be prepared to shell out a small fortune in NY. It is as if the government( and some of the legislators do smoke, just don't have the backbone to stick up for themselves) just don't care about people's rights. A guy up here wanted to open up a smoking only bar. they would not allow it. I still feel that if a person don't like the smoke then don't go to any business that allows it. NY wants to pass a law that says you are guilty of child abuse if you smoke in your car if there is a child in the car. Next it will be in your house. What about smokers rights. They should have some rights to smoke if they want to. It is their lives. It has been 10 months since i had a cigarette so i am pretty new to this non smoking thing. But i will always think that smokers should have their rights also and that it is time for the Gov't to realize that smokers have a right to have a cigartette if and when they want. i agree with no smoking on buses, trains and planes. Butt eniough is enough. I did not want to turn this into a smoking debate, but these new laws are killing the business that we all love. and that LOVE IS POOL....................mike

 

[buddha162]

Oh boy...................

 

[merylane]

i think you folks should reread teds post.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Smoking ban did not kill Jay's place.
I think Hard Times and Hollywood Billiards did.

 

[Teddy Harris]

<snip>
New York's smoking law has decimated the sports bar business.
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You asked a question, I answered it. If you don't want to hear the truth, then don't ask ...but please don't try to paint a picture or put a spin on something to make it fit your agenda. Why does this always have to turn into an argument? Why do smokers advocates think that cigarettes are good for pool? Why do smokers advocates always spout off what they believe to be true and back up their groundless assumptions with heresay? I mean, I cannot in good conscience enter into a debate with people that cannot listen. It is simply a waste of my time. I will, however, vote against the tobacco industry every chance I get. Why don't smokers and smokers advocates accept that tobacco use is on its way out?
If you would care to enter into an intelligent discussion regarding this issue, it is going to have to wait until December 6th, as I am trying to get ready for a show in Rockville, MD. At that time, I will be glad to provide facts and figures, url's and even links to the research into the tax receipts of New York Restaurant & Bar owners proving that your assumptions are false. Only thing is, you have to be willing to learn something!

 

[Teddy Harris]

Oh boy...................

LOLOLOLOL...can you believe this?

 

[merylane]

its funny i just talked to a very big cue collector that touched base on someones comments here.
he said he heard a speaker talking on how to improve the pool wolrd, one of the biggest problems is that were al trying to rob each other....
the speaker said the other poolrooms arent your competition ,golf and something else i cant remember is your competition. this was 10 or 15 yrs ago.
and now i would add poker to the competition list, so i dont think the other poolrooms closed him down?

 

[merylane]

Photos of Abe Rich 2004.

 

[cueball1950]

Hi Ted

LOLOLOLOL...can you believe this?

Well i have to admit this about Ted...lolololol.. He does his homework. he also knows that he is 1 of the many reasons that i gave up smoking....but what i said about the 2 rooms in NY is true. They both claim that they lost so much business that they had to close. So who am i to believe if they say it is true. Maybe they have a hidden agenda.....lol........ted...have fun on your trip...see you soon and tell the wife i said hi and that i hope she is feeling better..............................................mike

 

[NYPOOL]

I love it when I get people that tell me about the smoking law in NY and how it doesn't hurt business. I live in Orange Co NY where I've HAD been in business for 8YEARS but it just so happens last yr,july to be exact, my business went down 50%. I could care less about smokers or non smokers, all I want to do is make money. But can someone explain to me where my business and the 5 bars in this county that closed down since last yr went. Well in my area and in NYC they went to NJ. There are alot of rednecks up this way who would rather sit home and drink a six pack and be able to smoke. I don't mind an arguement. But don't tell people like me why we went out of business.

You asked a question, I answered it. If you don't want to hear the truth, then don't ask ...but please don't try to paint a picture or put a spin on something to make it fit your agenda. Why does this always have to turn into an argument? Why do smokers advocates think that cigarettes are good for pool? Why do smokers advocates always spout off what they believe to be true and back up their groundless assumptions with heresay? I mean, I cannot in good conscience enter into a debate with people that cannot listen. It is simply a waste of my time. I will, however, vote against the tobacco industry every chance I get. Why don't smokers and smokers advocates accept that tobacco use is on its way out?
If you would care to enter into an intelligent discussion regarding this issue, it is going to have to wait until December 6th, as I am trying to get ready for a show in Rockville, MD. At that time, I will be glad to provide facts and figures, url's and even links to the research into the tax receipts of New York Restaurant & Bar owners proving that your assumptions are false. Only thing is, you have to be willing to learn something!

 

[Teddy Harris]

I love it when I get people that tell me about the smoking law in NY and how it doesn't hurt business. I live in Orange Co NY where I've HAD been in business for 8YEARS but it just so happens last yr, july to be exact, my business went down 50%..

In your case, that may very well be true. I don't dispute that there are casualties in every war...and this is a war!
Some areas will be affected by the smoking bans, but the majority are not. Here is a link to the University of California San Francisco website TobaccoScam.com that shows the trend since the initial indoor smoking laws went into effect. As I said before, I am not disputing that your business was not affected, but this is a look into the industry as a whole. If you are going to make any comments about the site, I wish that you would read it thoroughly before you comment or ask any questions. Everything you need is right there. There is much more on this site, so check it out. It is the most comprehensive look into the use of tabacco that I have seen. Every bit of information on this site is backed up by links, reports, research, etc.

I could care less about smokers or non smokers, all I want to do is make money.

That's the truth of the matter. Were you so busy stuffing your pockets with money that you couldn't see the future coming? Hence, the lack of understanding on your part. Maybe if smokers and businesses that allowed smoking had taken measures to protect non-smokers, it wouldn't have come to this. Too late now.
While the ban certainly may have had an impact on your business, are you foregoing all responsiblity in it's demise? I mean, you knew it was coming, and did what? One of the reasons why the human race has survived this long our ability to adapt. Are you not capable of the same?
There are many people that open businesses every year, the failure rate is around 50%. There are no guarantees that if you open a business you are going to make money. Opening a business does not give someone the "right" to make money.
I am truly sorry that your business did not make it, but think about how many lives will be saved. What's more important? Is the evolution of man to wait even longer for you to make your money? Don't you think we have waited long enough? We have tolerated smoking for decades, and watched the smokers and businesses that promote it remain indifferent for long enough.

But can someone explain to me where my business and the 5 bars in this county that closed down since last yr went. Well in my area and in NYC they went to NJ.

The site above will explain all that. Here's one little tidbit of info that might peak your interest;
"In reality, subsequent analysis of data obtained from the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance for March 1990-February 1997 shows that restaurant and hotel sales tax receipts actually increased in New York City after the smokefree measure went into effect — while decreasing in the rest of the state. The rise in the number of restaurants was comparable between NYC and the rest of the state between April 1993 and April 1997, but growth in NYC restaurant employment (17.6%) more than tripled that in the rest of New York (4.6%)."
The evidence on this site is irreffutable.
If you follow the links and read the website in its entirety, you will see that in New York, that the period after the ban went into effect there were more restaurants and bars that opened than closed.

But don't tell people like me why we went out of business.

I wouldn't dream of it.

 

[cardiac kid]

Sorry Ted,

I believe you are wrong! Until some of the pool rooms and tournaments you cover begin to suffer the same fate as our rooms, you can sit smuggly in Maryland and chastise us. I smoked for seventeen years till I quit twenty five years ago. Whether you or my customers smoke does not bother me one bit. If you choose to commit suicide slowly, thats your choice (last I heard, this is still America, but not for long). I'm talking jobs. Not just the ones in our rooms. I mean beer and snack distributors, food service, table manufacturers, banks that finance us, etc. In typical myopic vision, all we see is cleaning the air. It is a good thing but at what price? When the States of Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina, Kentucky, et al ban smoking and the Federally subsidised growing of tobacco stops, I'll take it and you more seriously. Until then, we'll keep fighting for our economic life!

 

[aztd]

Ted,

You know who I am, and smoking laws here killed both of my rooms. There is no doubt about it, smoking bans, unless put in state wide or even county wide where the playing field is level for all business, is horrible! At least Calif. did a statewide ban. I wish they would heve done that here in AZ. I quit somking in 1981 but I still believe that it is a matter of choice.
I never saw Jays room but I think he did open it after the smoking ban. Sorry to here of it closing.

 

[cardiac kid]

As I said before, I am not disputing that your business was not affected, but this is a look into the industry as a whole.

Wow Ted, I'm impressed. Lots and lots of the "little people" have their livelyhoods destroyed. Not to worry, there are lots of jobs available flipping hamburgs. Just what I wanted to do for the rest of my life.

Tens of thousands of people are maimed or killed by drunk drivers each year. I don't see any major push out there to ban liquor or the advertising and sale thereof. In fact, it appears that NASCAR, the organization that reflects everything that is good, righteous and "Christian" in America, will now allow it! Back to the good old days eh?

Every bit of information on this site is backed up by links, reports, research, etc.

There are still people out there that seriously believe the World is flat. Some also believe that Darwin or some theory like it, backed by reams of data, research, experiments and reports etc, is LESS valid than a story handed down first by word of mouth, then written language through hundreds of generations of human existance perfectly, without a single error. Guess which one I believe?

Were you so busy stuffing your pockets with money that you couldn't see the future coming? Hence, the lack of understanding on your part. Maybe if smokers and businesses that allowed smoking had taken measures to protect non-smokers, it wouldn't have come to this.

Several years ago, I watched several top executives of the American tobacco industry testify before Congress, UNDER OATH, that tobacco was not harmful or addictive. All the research and the resultant data was flawed. All those dead or dying people had other underlying health problems. Cigarette smoking was not unhealthy. It was safe! Not one of those executives was ever prosecuted for their crimes against us. Not one! That Ted, is the truth!

One of the reasons why the human race has survived this long our ability to adapt. Are you not capable of the same?
There are many people that open businesses every year, the failure rate is around 50%. There are no guarantees that if you open a business you are going to make money. Opening a business does not give someone the "right" to make money.I am truly sorry that your business did not make it, but think about how many lives will be saved. What's more important? Is the evolution of man to wait even longer for you to make your money? Don't you think we have waited long enough? We have tolerated smoking for decades, and watched the smokers and businesses that promote it remain indifferent for long enough.

See above.

data obtained from the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance for March 1990-February 1997 shows that restaurant and hotel sales tax receipts actually increased in New York City after the smokefree measure went into effect — while decreasing in the rest of the state. The rise in the number of restaurants was comparable between NYC and the rest of the state between April 1993 and April 1997, but growth in NYC restaurant employment (17.6%) more than tripled that in the rest of New York (4.6%)." The evidence on this site is irreffutable.
If you follow the links and read the website in its entirety, you will see that in New York, that the period after the ban went into effect there were more restaurants and bars that opened than closed.

The data is wonderful. I see that NYC had a gain in restaurant employment over the rest of the State. Did you happen to correlate that data with the rise and fall of the stock market? Greater New York City is less than 3% of the land mass of the State of New York. It has more than half the population. Not many farmers or apple growers though. We residents of Upstate New York have been burdened by legislation designed to help NYC at the expense of the rest of us for years. We live in a separate but unequal world!