Porper Big Shaver and Layered Tips????

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I'm interested in the Big Shaver to more easily try a variety of tips. Does anyone know if the Big Shaver works with layered tips and how well? I know a lathe would be the best way to go but I'm not quite ready to make that type investment yet. I know having a professional do the installation is another recommended method but could be cost prohibitive.

Seyberts does have a deluxe kit with some associated videos that show the process by hand that seems pretty easy and straight forward. This kit includes a variety of porper tools.

Ultimately I would like to experiment more with the different tips that is relatively convenient till I find my tip of choice.
 
I don't know, I've seen layered tips go from brand new to useless in 30 seconds with those shavers. I just give mine to the cue guy for reshaping on the lathe.
 
sigh ...

I've used Big Shaver and Moori tips before. It's definitely harder than trimming elk master but doable. It's a bit of learning curve (don't put the ferrule in tight at the start) but doable. Make sure the glue is set and you're not taking a big chuck in trimming but doable?

Did I mention it's doable? :)
 
The guy that puts tips on for me uses a Porper. He has put on an Everest and several Snipers. All have turned out fantastic.

I do remember hearing him say that with layered tips, you have to trim with little cuts and you need to make sure the blade is still very sharp.
 
mooseman said:
I'm interested in the Big Shaver to more easily try a variety of tips. Does anyone know if the Big Shaver works with layered tips and how well? I know a lathe would be the best way to go but I'm not quite ready to make that type investment yet. I know having a professional do the installation is another recommended method but could be cost prohibitive.

Seyberts does have a deluxe kit with some associated videos that show the process by hand that seems pretty easy and straight forward. This kit includes a variety of porper tools.

Ultimately I would like to experiment more with the different tips that is relatively convenient till I find my tip of choice.
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Your best bet w/out a lathe is that Willard's Tip Machine. Blades must be very sharp!

Also moisten the side of the cue tip to lubricate when trimming.
 

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h2o + layered tips = disaster!

DO NOT MOISTEN MOORI TIPS!!!

Moori tips use an animal hide glue... this glue is extremely susceptible to moisture and heat, and will de-laminate when wet. Be very cautious when moistening the edges of a layered tip... be extra cautious when that layered tip is a Moori.

FYI - MOST Moori tip failures are due to improper installation procedures.
 
When my moori tip mushroomed, I just used a straight razor like I have for 15 yrs. Plus it gives you a little design for a little while, until the tip goes back into its natural shape.

Walker
 
cheese_ball said:
DO NOT MOISTEN MOORI TIPS!!!

Moori tips use an animal hide glue... this glue is extremely susceptible to moisture and heat, and will de-laminate when wet. Be very cautious when moistening the edges of a layered tip... be extra cautious when that layered tip is a Moori.

FYI - MOST Moori tip failures are due to improper installation procedures.
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This is not an issue with any Tiger Manufactured Laminated Cue Tip.

Must be exclusive to Moori (?).

Using a damp cloth is sufficient moisture for trimming.
 
mooseman said:
I'm interested in the Big Shaver to more easily try a variety of tips. Does anyone know if the Big Shaver works with layered tips and how well? I know a lathe would be the best way to go but I'm not quite ready to make that type investment yet. I know having a professional do the installation is another recommended method but could be cost prohibitive.

Seyberts does have a deluxe kit with some associated videos that show the process by hand that seems pretty easy and straight forward. This kit includes a variety of porper tools.

Ultimately I would like to experiment more with the different tips that is relatively convenient till I find my tip of choice.
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I not sure what any body is talking about here.I have a porper big shaver and I put on all layered tips and never had any problems except with a match tip from chanviert which was super soft . I done over 200 layered tips with no problems. I do a ton of H2, moori ,tailsman,dynamite, lepro, tips with no problems. I think layered tips are cake to cutt with the big porper shaper. I make the tips flawless and if I put them next to a guy who does them on a lathe I bet nobody can tell the diference. Maybe I just that good lol. My budie sharpens my blade every 2 month on a stone it cutt's like butter. I even done 2 phonolic tips but my blade was trashed not recomended to try this.Just take your time and you should beable to cut any firm tip. Soft tips are a pain.
 
Ive done pretty much most of the layered tips out there on a porper. I still want to try the sniper and see if it will be a problem..... but I dont expect it will be. Biggest thing to remember is keep the blade sharp. You can sharpen it yourself a few times before it needs to be replaced, but it cuts better sharp of course. Tips done on the Porper Big Shaver.....
Moori
Everest
Talisman
Tsunami
Instroke
Dynamite
And most of the single layered tips, including those with fiber pads attached.
If you take your time, and dont ham fist it........ it will be fine. Here is a moori I just put on a Frey I got from Bama. I think you would be hardpressed to tell it was not done on a lathe. And even if you chucked it up and put an indicator on it.... I would say the runout would be at worse .001-.002.
mooriinstalled.jpg

I have been thinking about putting together a picture tutorial of retipping cues without a lathe if the interest is there for it.
Chuck
 
Never had a problem with layered tips when I used a porper. I quit usimg one when I saw another guy crack an ivory ferrule with one:eek: . But overall never had a problem with it just keep the blade sharp. Also when I install tips i like to wet sand the edges a bit at the end with some 1000 grit then burnish with a paper towell while still wet. I never had a Moori delaminate had a few talismans but Tony always stands behind his stuff. I had some of the first Tiger tips back around 96 or 97 and they did delaminate some but they too stood behind their product and still do.
 
RiverCity said:
I have been thinking about putting together a picture tutorial of retipping cues without a lathe if the interest is there for it.
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I'd be interested. :D
 
cheese_ball said:
DO NOT MOISTEN MOORI TIPS!!!

Moori tips use an animal hide glue... this glue is extremely susceptible to moisture and heat, and will de-laminate when wet. Be very cautious when moistening the edges of a layered tip... be extra cautious when that layered tip is a Moori.

FYI - MOST Moori tip failures are due to improper installation procedures.
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FYI - I make all my Mooris wet to turn out with a shine......and NEVER had any problems with delaminate or something.

Installing Mooris with the porper is no problem as long as the blade is sharp.
 
RiverCity said:
I have been thinking about putting together a picture tutorial of retipping cues without a lathe if the interest is there for it.
Chuck
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I'd be interested as well.
 
RiverCity said:
Ive done pretty much most of the layered tips out there on a porper. I still want to try the sniper and see if it will be a problem..... but I dont expect it will be. Biggest thing to remember is keep the blade sharp. You can sharpen it yourself a few times before it needs to be replaced, but it cuts better sharp of course. Tips done on the Porper Big Shaver.....
Moori
Everest
Talisman
Tsunami
Instroke
Dynamite
And most of the single layered tips, including those with fiber pads attached.
If you take your time, and dont ham fist it........ it will be fine. Here is a moori I just put on a Frey I got from Bama. I think you would be hardpressed to tell it was not done on a lathe. And even if you chucked it up and put an indicator on it.... I would say the runout would be at worse .001-.002.
mooriinstalled.jpg

I have been thinking about putting together a picture tutorial of retipping cues without a lathe if the interest is there for it.
Chuck
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You should start a thread, because I have asked about installing layered tips without a lathe, and haven't gotten much help.
 
RiverCity said:
How about something like this?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=51018
I still havent done a sniper yet, but with the OB1 ferrule, I would probably use masking tape around it to make sure I didnt touch it with the sandpaper.
Chuck
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You do not want to use big shaver with OB1 ferrule. It will leave a dent where conical section touches the ferrule, regardless of using masking tape. The wooden ferrule is jsut too soft. This has been my personal experience.
 
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