Possible to make a Triangle tip softer?

I've ran out of layered tips so now I'm using Triangle for the time being because I have a box of 13mm tips. I know 14mm play a bit better but that was before I got a box of 13s so now I have to make do.

Does anyone know if it's possible to make a Triangle tip just a bit softer? I'm not talking a whole lot, just enough to grab the ball a bit more on thin cut shots, because maybe it's my stroke or maybe it's the tip but I've found myself miscuing with a stock triangle more often on thin cuts than with anything else.

I found picking it a bit helps some but that's at the expense of the tip, also I soaked a triangle in some coconut oil and pressed it a bit, I haven't put it on yet because I want it to cure/dry for a day more but so far it seems less hard than a triangle that hasn't been soaked.
 

angluse

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Not a great hardness comparison, but when I was playing WBs I found that picking them deeply would get them almost perfect with respect to feel, grip, and zero miscuing. As expected I had to work the sides often since that much picking there was mushrooming, and they'd also would wear out pretty fast. But improvement to playability, and as a result, my confidence, was huge.

As I transitioned softer I tried the same thing with Triangles (I also found that 14s were a lot better than 13s) and while I never liked them as much, I did like them a whole lot better than un-picked Triangles which always felt a little dead to me.

I'm onto Triumph now which I love, but most others seem not to. And with these I rarely have to pick or otherwise hassle with.
 

336Robin

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Yeah, put on an Elkmaster. It will eventually play like a Triangle then you can change it again. Put on tall takes at least a year to get that way.



I've ran out of layered tips so now I'm using Triangle for the time being because I have a box of 13mm tips. I know 14mm play a bit better but that was before I got a box of 13s so now I have to make do.

Does anyone know if it's possible to make a Triangle tip just a bit softer? I'm not talking a whole lot, just enough to grab the ball a bit more on thin cut shots, because maybe it's my stroke or maybe it's the tip but I've found myself miscuing with a stock triangle more often on thin cuts than with anything else.

I found picking it a bit helps some but that's at the expense of the tip, also I soaked a triangle in some coconut oil and pressed it a bit, I haven't put it on yet because I want it to cure/dry for a day more but so far it seems less hard than a triangle that hasn't been soaked.
 

Straightpool_99

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I've ran out of layered tips so now I'm using Triangle for the time being because I have a box of 13mm tips. I know 14mm play a bit better but that was before I got a box of 13s so now I have to make do.

Does anyone know if it's possible to make a Triangle tip just a bit softer? I'm not talking a whole lot, just enough to grab the ball a bit more on thin cut shots, because maybe it's my stroke or maybe it's the tip but I've found myself miscuing with a stock triangle more often on thin cuts than with anything else.

I found picking it a bit helps some but that's at the expense of the tip, also I soaked a triangle in some coconut oil and pressed it a bit, I haven't put it on yet because I want it to cure/dry for a day more but so far it seems less hard than a triangle that hasn't been soaked.

I don't want to come off as one of those know-it-all jerks, but the cueball doesn't know where you are hitting the object ball. So the degree of cut shouldn't matter to wether you are miscueing or not. Three possibilities:
1. You are jerking your thin cut shots. Very common thing to do.
Solution: Don't do that. You can practise it by closing your eyes before the final forward stroke. Concentrate only on the stroke being smooth.
2. You are loading up with spin on your thin cuts:
Solution: Unless it's absolutely necessary (close to limit of cutability, or even beyond 90 degrees), don't do that either, or consider taking a little bit off of your english, to keep you within the miscue limit.
3. You're doing both:
Solution: Absolutely do not do that!

As far as I know, there is no way to soften a tip that is not detrimental in the long run. Taking the tip down will expose a softer strata of the tip, but will accellerate the hardening of the remainder of it. It is a necessary thing to do to take off a glazed portion of the tip, but doesn't actually solve the problem long term. Adding substances to it...I'm not a fan, unless the goal is to press it harder in a cue press. If you soak it in milk (for instance) and don't press it, the tip will usually fall apart sooner rather than later.
 
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I don't want to come off as one of those know-it-all jerks, but the cueball doesn't know where you are hitting the object ball. So the degree of cut shouldn't matter to wether you are miscueing or not. Three possibilities:
1. You are jerking your thin cut shots. Very common thing to do.
Solution: Don't do that. You can practise it by closing your eyes before the final forward stroke. Concentrate only on the stroke being smooth.
2. You are loading up with spin on your thin cuts:
Solution: Unless it's absolutely necessary (close to limit of cutability, or even beyond 90 degrees), don't do that either, or consider taking a little bit off of your english, to keep you within the miscue limit.
3. You're doing both:
Solution: Absolutely do not do that!

As far as I know, there is no way to soften a tip that is not detrimental in the long run. Taking the tip down will expose a softer strata of the tip, but will accellerate the hardening of the remainder of it. It is a necessary thing to do to take off a glazed portion of the tip, but doesn't actually solve the problem long term. Adding substances to it...I'm not a fan, unless the goal is to press it harder in a cue press. If you soak it in milk (for instance) and don't press it, the tip will usually fall apart sooner rather than later.
I should've added that part in, my mistake, but I do add a lot of spin to those particular cut shots I mentioned. It's usually to put a ball in the side pocket, although sometimes I'd do the same when I'm trying to shoot the CB diagonal from a ball by the corner pocket so that the speed and and spin off the CB swith.[/QUOTE] usually take a little bit off the cue tip after I install it so I can "feel" the ball more, but like you said, with triangles it just makes them harder. I wanted to try milkdudding a triangle but it just seemed like it would make the tip harder, which is what I don't really need.

Yeah, put on an Elkmaster. It will eventually play like a Triangle then you can change it again. Put on tall takes at least a year to get that way.
I can see the appeal of that bit I "fiddle" with my tips too much to wait for it to get pounded into shape for so long. I shape them as soon as they lose the dime radius, plus I play some dingy tables and the tip gets glazed over fairly quick, like maybe 2-3 racks, so I'm always scufffing them which also grind them down some.

I made a really, really nice tip before by boiling an elkmaster to get it to expand, then when it dried I popped it into a vice, compressed it, and hit it with clearcoat so that when I let the vice go the tip acted as a sponge and absorbed the clearcoat. Then I pressed it a little more and once it dried it was a great tip, but I don't have any more elkmasters to play with.

Not a great hardness comparison, but when I was playing WBs I found that picking them deeply would get them almost perfect with respect to feel, grip, and zero miscuing. As expected I had to work the sides often since that much picking there was mushrooming, and they'd also would wear out pretty fast. But improvement to playability, and as a result, my confidence, was huge.

As I transitioned softer I tried the same thing with Triangles (I also found that 14s were a lot better than 13s) and while I never liked them as much, I did like them a whole lot better than un-picked Triangles which always felt a little dead to me.

I'm onto Triumph now which I love, but most others seem not to. And with these I rarely have to pick or otherwise hassle with.
Picking them is okay for the time being but like you said, it tends to mushroom and wear out quick.


The way I see it, the triangle is a hard tip, but it's made of leather, plus its dry. So I figure if I can "moisturize" the tip some, maybe it'll be softer, so that's why I put it in some coconut oil and then pressed it when it expanded a bit just to kind of bind everything together. I'm going to put it on my cue today and see how it plays, if it does everything I think it'll do I'll let you guys know.
 

Celophanewrap

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I can think of a couple of ways to soften them up a bit, but wouldn’t be simpler, and certainly
faster to just order a couple of new tips that you would normally use?
If you’re trying to transition to a single layer tip, you might start with Elkmaster or LePro,
or even a Triumph for something softer. Those are normally more cost effective and easier
to come by
 

jrctherake

AzB Silver Member
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I've ran out of layered tips so now I'm using Triangle for the time being because I have a box of 13mm tips. I know 14mm play a bit better but that was before I got a box of 13s so now I have to make do.

Does anyone know if it's possible to make a Triangle tip just a bit softer? I'm not talking a whole lot, just enough to grab the ball a bit more on thin cut shots, because maybe it's my stroke or maybe it's the tip but I've found myself miscuing with a stock triangle more often on thin cuts than with anything else.

I found picking it a bit helps some but that's at the expense of the tip, also I soaked a triangle in some coconut oil and pressed it a bit, I haven't put it on yet because I want it to cure/dry for a day more but so far it seems less hard than a triangle that hasn't been soaked.

It sounds like you need to learn "how" to maintain a tip and also "when" to maintain it.

Lots of people mess with their tips way to often.

The tip manufacturer's love you big time.

Jeff
 

Cornerman

Cue Author...Sometimes
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I've ran out of layered tips so now I'm using Triangle for the time being because I have a box of 13mm tips. I know 14mm play a bit better but that was before I got a box of 13s so now I have to make do.

In addition to what others have said, I find this highlighted bit interesting. Why do you "know 14mm play a bit better"? After you install and trim, how does the cueball know that it was hit with a previously-14mm tip?

May we assume that you've actually gone ahead installed the Triangle tip and it hits too hard for you? Do you do the installation (since you said you've run out of layered tips)? Did you pick a hard Triangle tip out of the box? Did you see if some were softer?

I feel like I'm missing some information.
 

buckshotshoey

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I think you are making it harder then it needs to be. Just buy some new tips tailored to your liking.
 

garczar

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I've ran out of layered tips so now I'm using Triangle for the time being because I have a box of 13mm tips. I know 14mm play a bit better but that was before I got a box of 13s so now I have to make do.

Does anyone know if it's possible to make a Triangle tip just a bit softer? I'm not talking a whole lot, just enough to grab the ball a bit more on thin cut shots, because maybe it's my stroke or maybe it's the tip but I've found myself miscuing with a stock triangle more often on thin cuts than with anything else.

I found picking it a bit helps some but that's at the expense of the tip, also I soaked a triangle in some coconut oil and pressed it a bit, I haven't put it on yet because I want it to cure/dry for a day more but so far it seems less hard than a triangle that hasn't been soaked.
Get a different tip. Simple. Look, Tri's are pressed water-buffalo. Not much, if anything, you can do to alter them without destroying it. Try an Ultraskin Black medium. Been my go to tip for a while now. Am currently testing a new US Fire med. that i really like. Its real close to the Black, maybe a tad softer.
 
I can think of a couple of ways to soften them up a bit, but wouldn’t be simpler, and certainly
faster to just order a couple of new tips that you would normally use?
If you’re trying to transition to a single layer tip, you might start with Elkmaster or LePro,
or even a Triumph for something softer. Those are normally more cost effective and easier
to come by
I'm a little hard up for the dough in my pool budget right now because I'm saving up for a new cue, also whenever I order one or two of something I end up going overboard. I have a few elkmasters, they are good but I break with my playing cue too and I didn't really like my break with an elkmaster and not a big fan of LePro. I had one that came stock on a cue I bought, didn't like it all that much.
It sounds like you need to learn "how" to maintain a tip and also "when" to maintain it.

Lots of people mess with their tips way to often.

The tip manufacturer's love you big time.

Jeff
I think I know how to maintain it fairly well, it's more or less a compulsion to mess with the tip at this point, especially during a game. The only time I don't do it is if I have an expensive tip because as soon as I grab the sandpaper or the shaping tool, I look at the tip and think "well that's a $30 tip, are you absolutely sure you need to do that..?"

In addition to what others have said, I find this highlighted bit interesting. Why do you "know 14mm play a bit better"? After you install and trim, how does the cueball know that it was hit with a previously-14mm tip?

May we assume that you've actually gone ahead installed the Triangle tip and it hits too hard for you? Do you do the installation (since you said you've run out of layered tips)? Did you pick a hard Triangle tip out of the box? Did you see if some were softer?

I feel like I'm missing some information.
I've had a couple of 14mm triangle tips before and they just seemed better. They were taller or maybe thicker, I felt they gripped more and they made a different sound on contact. Plus the quality control seems way better on the 14s, when I got those two triangle tips a guy I know just opened the box and handed me two tips and they were both good quality, if I opened a box of my 13s and handed someone two tips at random the odds of 1 of them (if not both) being duds are pretty high.

I always do my own installations unless the tips are expensive. I don't have a lathe and possibly carving up a $30 tip that took a week to come by mail seems like a bad gamble. As far as picking a soft triangle out of the box goes, I check to make sure the bottom of the tip isn't bumpy or deformed, then I tap them on the table. Harder ones go ping, softer ones go thunk. But the softer ones aren't that much softer than the hard ones, and are probably soft due to an inconsistency in manufacturing because triangles are a med-hard tip, why would they just throw a soft into the mix? ...Besides, I used all the soft ones up already, hence the thread...


Get a different tip. Simple. Look, Tri's are pressed water-buffalo. Not much, if anything, you can do to alter them without destroying it. Try an Ultraskin Black medium. Been my go to tip for a while now. Am currently testing a new US Fire med. that i really like. Its real close to the Black, maybe a tad softer.

The list of tips I'd like to try is growing by the day. I'll give an ultraskin a go eventually, thanks!
 

CocoboloCowboy

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There was a time when all we had was Non-Layered TIP, their advantage was. They NEVER EVER DELAMINATED.

Are Layered Tip better, it all a personal opinion, and then it become which one is BEST? Again one person opinion.
 

couldnthinkof01

AzB Silver Member
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Miscue on thin cut?

If you cut a ball, even if your only hitting 1/1000 of the object ball with the cueball,
you still can hit the the center of the cueball with your tip, no?
This makes no sense to me.

99% of miscues are a shitty stroke or hitting the very edge of the cueball.

Softening a triangle tip? I have no idea how or why you would want to.
Used them for many years and they play great and last years with everyday play.
 
Miscue on thin cut?

If you cut a ball, even if your only hitting 1/1000 of the object ball with the cueball,
you still can hit the the center of the cueball with your tip, no?
This makes no sense to me.

99% of miscues are a shitty stroke or hitting the very edge of the cueball.

Softening a triangle tip? I have no idea how or why you would want to.
Used them for many years and they play great and last years with everyday play.
Very edge of cueball. Putting a lot of spin on it. Or maybe shitty stroke. I haven't been playing very long plus some days I play with my opposite hand.
There was a time when all we had was Non-Layered TIP, their advantage was. They NEVER EVER DELAMINATED.

Are Layered Tip better, it all a personal opinion, and then it become which one is BEST? Again one person opinion.
Hey CocoboloCowboy, what are your thoughts on purpleheart wood?
 

couldnthinkof01

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Very edge of cueball. Putting a lot of spin on it. Or maybe shitty stroke. I haven't been playing very long plus some days I play with my opposite hand.

Been guilty of going too far out on the cueball or putting
a piss poor stroke on it my fair share.

Less is definitely more when going off center on
the cueball to get the desired result.

I have played with single layered tips most of the time.
Tryed the layered tip thing but the glue between
the layers caused more problems than I cared for.

Cheap single layered tips have quite a bit of variance
and even some duds in each box so selecting a
good one can be a bit of an art.

Wishing you luck on finding your goldilocks tip!
 
Very edge of cueball. Putting a lot of spin on it. Or maybe shitty stroke. I haven't been playing very long plus some days I play with my opposite hand.

Been guilty of going too far out on the cueball or putting
a piss poor stroke on it my fair share.

Less is definitely more when going off center on
the cueball to get the desired result.

I have played with single layered tips most of the time.
Tryed the layered tip thing but the glue between
the layers caused more problems than I cared for.

Cheap single layered tips have quite a bit of variance
and even some duds in each box so selecting a
good one can be a bit of an art.

Wishing you luck on finding your goldilocks tip!
I'm considering cutting up some elkmasters and triangles and using thin layers of each to build my own layered tip. I'll call it "trimaster" or "elkangle" .
 
Update:
Played with a Triangle pressed with coconut oil today. Much more softer hit than a normal triangle, grabs the ball really well, however it doesn't look like I gave it enough time to dry. It glazed over really quick, however the cue ball wasn't stained nor did the chalk look wet. I'm 80% sure I'm onto something here; it's a pressed tip that played a lot like a layered tip to certain point. If it retains even a portion of its softness and grip after it fully dries it'll be a good tip.
 

garczar

AzB Silver Member
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Update:
Played with a Triangle pressed with coconut oil today. Much more softer hit than a normal triangle, grabs the ball really well, however it doesn't look like I gave it enough time to dry. It glazed over really quick, however the cue ball wasn't stained nor did the chalk look wet. I'm 80% sure I'm onto something here; it's a pressed tip that played a lot like a layered tip to certain point. If it retains even a portion of its softness and grip after it fully dries it'll be a good tip.
Seriously??? Why don't you just buy another tip? Why so concerned with modifying a Triangle? The end result us not a Triangle other than in name only. There are plenty of good layered tips in the same hardness. They'll also outlast a Tri by a pretty good margin. I don't get this trying to alter a tip.
 

deanoc

AzB Silver Member
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Concerning the 14mm triangle tips cut down


this is what Jack requested on all the jackpot cues and sneaky petes that
we recently sold on Az

whether or not this is what caused them to look a little different from the normal brown and appear gray
or whether this made them softer with the great playing characteristics I can not say

We did several things,little things in our attempt to make the best hitting cue out there
people have asked about some of the differences,this was one

we prefered stiffer shafts withheavier wood and a soft hit
our opinion was that the triangle tips were a nice part

science or myth,I dunno,it just felt right and we went with it

dean
 
Concerning the 14mm triangle tips cut down


this is what Jack requested on all the jackpot cues and sneaky petes that
we recently sold on Az

whether or not this is what caused them to look a little different from the normal brown and appear gray
or whether this made them softer with the great playing characteristics I can not say

We did several things,little things in our attempt to make the best hitting cue out there
people have asked about some of the differences,this was one

we prefered stiffer shafts withheavier wood and a soft hit
our opinion was that the triangle tips were a nice part

science or myth,I dunno,it just felt right and we went with it

dean

After the triangle expanded and was then pressed, it changed from 13mm to 13.9, so it had to be trimmed to fit my shaft. I did not cut it down any initially but I did make sure to take a bit off the top while shaping it, but I've done that with other triangles as well, but it's true, it does change color from Brown to a greyish color once a bit is taken off the top, but in my experience just taking some off the top and trimming it usually makes them a bit harder instead but with good feedback and feel. But I do remember putting on a 14mm that after trimming and cutting down DID play softer than usual so maybe that's as good as it'll get without actually trying to modify a triangle any other way.
 
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