power draw

[evergruven]

For short delicate draw shots or shots that are easy to make with draw you can get away with it. However when you have to hit the cue ball hard or have to put left or right in addition to it and even on short draws, the cue has a tendency to move around a lot. Also the cue vibrates more on open hand bridges which can cause miscues. There are several reasons not to use open bridges on several shots. I try to use the appropriate bridge for the appropriate shot. Dissent always work. Lol


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right bridge for the shot sounds good
and I get the cue moving around, vibrating, etc.- you can see it in my vid
but a lot of that seems to be incidental- a result more than a cause
agree it's not the norm, but there are definitely pro players that draw with an open bridge
and how about snooker players? different game, but open bridge is the norm there
and draw is draw, nah?

 

[ThinSlice]

right bridge for the shot sounds good
and I get the cue moving around, vibrating, etc.- you can see it in my vid
but a lot of that seems to be incidental- a result more than a cause
agree it's not the norm, but there are definitely pro players that draw with an open bridge
and how about snooker players? different game, but open bridge is the norm there
and draw is draw, nah?

Snooker uses a lighter cue ball so the shots are delicate to begin with. Also cloth is different and so are the cues. Not an exact comparison.

Yes you can find pro players doing all sorts of things. Some are not right but they get away with it because well, they are pros. Don’t try this at home.


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[evergruven]

Snooker uses a lighter cue ball so the shots are delicate to begin with. Also cloth is different and so are the cues. Not an exact comparison.

Yes you can find pro players doing all sorts of things. Some are not right but they get away with it because well, they are pros. Don’t try this at home.


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I could be wrong, but I remain unconvinced..I hear you tho

 

[ThinSlice]

I could be wrong, but I remain unconvinced..I hear you tho

Ok. Then watch a couple Efren videos. Let that convince you. If the best player of all time can’t convince you then you can’t be convinced.


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[evergruven]

Ok. Then watch a couple Efren videos. Let that convince you. If the best player of all time can’t convince you then you can’t be convinced.


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shoot, I've watched more of efren than any other player- he's my fave!
I've actually tried to emulate his bridge, but my anatomy can't deal with it :/

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...what's wrong with using an open bridge for a good draw shot?

...when you have to hit the cue ball hard or have to put left or right in addition to it and even on short draws, the cue has a tendency to move around a lot.

Only after the cue ball is gone. It's just distracting - you can learn to ignore that.

Also the cue vibrates more on open hand bridges which can cause miscues.

I think the cue acts exactly the same with either bridge until after the CB is gone.

There are several reasons not to use open bridges on several shots.

Can you describe some?

pj
chgo

 

[ThinSlice]

Ok. Try it. Open bridge has ZERO support above the cue. It rests on your hand. When you hit the cue ball low you get an additional vibration. To the point of slippage. Meaning a miscue. By using a closed bridge you steady the cue. This is an extreme example but think about hitting the cue ball with a wippy shaft as opposed to a solid shaft. The point of contact will flex the shaft. That’s inevitable. So if the shaft will flex (wether closed or open) a very tiny amount then it makes sense that during draw shots you minimize that with a closed loop bridge. Show me a video of Efren or any top player drawing a shot length wise on a far shot with an open bridge. I am sure you will find one but they will be far and in between. Look at Mike’s closed bridge on his 2 table length draw. Not making this up.


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[ThinSlice]

Ok. Try it. Open bridge has ZERO support above the cue. It rests on your hand. When you hit the cue ball low you get an additional vibration. To the point of slippage. Meaning a miscue. By using a closed bridge you steady the cue. This is an extreme example but think about hitting the cue ball with a wippy shaft as opposed to a solid shaft. The point of contact will flex the shaft. That’s inevitable. So if the shaft will flex (wether closed or open) a very tiny amount then it makes sense that during draw shots you minimize that with a closed loop bridge. Show me a video of Efren or any top player drawing a shot length wise on a far shot with an open bridge. I am sure you will find one but they will be far and in between. Look at Mike’s closed bridge on his 2 table length draw. Not making this up.


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Also using a bridge is an open bridge shot. You will see more mis cues using a bridge than just about any other time. We all see this over and over again. And what happens during that mis cue? The cue pops off the top of the bridge.


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[Bob Jewett]

Snooker uses a lighter cue ball so the shots are delicate to begin with. Also cloth is different and so are the cues. Not an exact comparison.

All the snooker pros use open bridge for power shots. They are not soft or dainty.

The main reason to use a closed bridge on power shots is that if your stroke is imperfect -- twisting, lifting, clenching -- then the stick is likely to come off the hand. If that is all under control, which is unlikely for most here, an open bridge works perfectly fine.

 

[ThinSlice]

All the snooker pros use open bridge for power shots. They are not soft or dainty.

The main reason to use a closed bridge on power shots is that if your stroke is imperfect -- twisting, lifting, clenching -- then the stick is likely to come off the hand. If that is all under control, which is unlikely for most here, an open bridge works perfectly fine.

Well. There you have it. Open bridge draw shots are wonderful. Have at everyone. Change your traditional bridge. All this time people have been shooting wrong. My bad. What do I know.


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[straightline]

Rank? You have no rank...certainly at nothing concerning teaching anybody anything about pool physics. You stepping on my "action"? That's just plain funny! At least I have a 'rank'! Even when other experts maintain your ignorance, you still claim you're right, and everybody else is wrong!

Scott Lee

That's what I mean. You got you a fat head. Doesn't understand technique for humans. Frankly I saw the one size fits all when you started mentioning video lessons. Where do you get off coming at me like that anyway? You and your fat head owe me an apology.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Ok. Try it. Open bridge has ZERO support above the cue. It rests on your hand. When you hit the cue ball low you get an additional vibration. To the point of slippage. Meaning a miscue.

You get just as much vibration with either type of bridge - and the cue ball's gone before shaft movement can change anything. Yeah, your shaft will move more (after the CB's gone), maybe even jump out of your bridge - but it doesn't change the outcome.

...if the shaft will flex (wether closed or open) a very tiny amount then it makes sense that during draw shots you minimize that with a closed loop

With draw the shaft is forced downward into the bottom of the "V" of your bridge - so the finger over the shaft with a closed bridge is irrelevant. And, again, any shaft movement out of the "V" takes place after the CB's gone.

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

You got you a fat head. Doesn't understand technique for humans. ... I think you and your fat head owe me an apology.

Scott's a nationally respected instructor. You're not.

He's right. You're wrong.

Get over it.

And it's you who owes an apology - not that you'll understand that.

pj
chgo

 

[FranCrimi]

So with all of you experts here --- who among you actually shot pool (not snooker) for a full year or more with a V-bridge? Anyone? Oh that's right... I did. And I did it on the women's pro tour. Here are two things I learned from that experience. 1.) A V-bridge is much more accurate for aiming --- first because you can see more and second because with a closed bridge, it's nearly impossible for the third finger to be exactly parallel to the table. The pool cue is always resting on a slight angle with a closed bridge. 2.) I had trouble power drawing the cue ball with an open bridge. I don't know whether it was psychological or physical --- probably some of both, but my pool cue was bouncing all over the place, no matter how much I tried to secure it in place. So for me that year, I used a V bridge for all shots except for a power draw. The imperfection of the closed bridge was less of a problem than the lack of control I had over the bouncing cue stick with the V Bridge.

Talk about your direct experiences, people --- not your theories.

 

[Bob Jewett]

The snooker players have a special technique for keeping the cue on the V for power shots. I've never seen it in instructionals.

As for me, I can use the V bridge for medium power shots but my stroke is not true enough for serious speed.

 

[z0nt0n3r]

So with all of you experts here --- who among you actually shot pool (not snooker) for a full year or more with a V-bridge? Anyone? Oh that's right... I did. And I did it on the women's pro tour. Here are two things I learned from that experience. 1.) A V-bridge is much more accurate for aiming --- first because you can see more and second because with a closed bridge, it's nearly impossible for the third finger to be exactly parallel to the table. The pool cue is always resting on a slight angle with a closed bridge. 2.) I had trouble power drawing the cue ball with an open bridge. I don't know whether it was psychological or physical --- probably some of both, but my pool cue was bouncing all over the place, no matter how much I tried to secure it in place. So for me that year, I used a V bridge for all shots except for a power draw. The imperfection of the closed bridge was less of a problem than the lack of control I had over the bouncing cue stick with the V Bridge.

Talk about your direct experiences, people --- not your theories.

i've always used an open bridge since i started playing (i only use a closed bridge from the rail) and like you the only thing i struggle with are power draws especially from distance and i also miscue a lot but this has more to do with body/head movement and tightening of the grip.when i use a closed-rail bridge i can draw the cue ball from all distances.

i find it almost impossible to draw from distance with an open bridge without the cue bouncing up in the air but some snooker players can draw almost table-length without any bouncing of the cue.watch this shot in 4:03 by ding junhui,he has absolutely zero bouncing of the cue or body/head movement when executing a power draw,it's crazy.

 

[z0nt0n3r]

The snooker players have a special technique for keeping the cue on the V for power shots. I've never seen it in instructionals.

As for me, I can use the V bridge for medium power shots but my stroke is not true enough for serious speed.

what is the technique especially for power draw shots?can you explain?

 

[evergruven]

So with all of you experts here --- who among you actually shot pool (not snooker) for a full year or more with a V-bridge? Anyone? Oh that's right... I did. And I did it on the women's pro tour. Here are two things I learned from that experience. 1.) A V-bridge is much more accurate for aiming --- first because you can see more and second because with a closed bridge, it's nearly impossible for the third finger to be exactly parallel to the table. The pool cue is always resting on a slight angle with a closed bridge. 2.) I had trouble power drawing the cue ball with an open bridge. I don't know whether it was psychological or physical --- probably some of both, but my pool cue was bouncing all over the place, no matter how much I tried to secure it in place. So for me that year, I used a V bridge for all shots except for a power draw. The imperfection of the closed bridge was less of a problem than the lack of control I had over the bouncing cue stick with the V Bridge.

Talk about your direct experiences, people --- not your theories.

hi fran
could your cue bouncing around
have had anything to do with the way your cue was balanced?
i.e. if the weight is in the back, the front might spray on some shots

personally, I'm no great player
but it's been a few years now
and the more I shoot with it
the more comfy I'm with the V
I can even break with it ok

 

[Bob Jewett]

what is the technique especially for power draw shots?can you explain?

Watch O'Sullivan and Robertson when they are playing screw shots and the camera is behind them. See if you can find something quite unexpected that they are doing.

 

[gerryf]

i've always used an open bridge since i started playing (i only use a closed bridge from the rail) and like you the only thing i struggle with are power draws especially from distance and i also miscue a lot but this has more to do with body/head movement and tightening of the grip.when i use a closed-rail bridge i can draw the cue ball from all distances.

i find it almost impossible to draw from distance with an open bridge without the cue bouncing up in the air but some snooker players can draw almost table-length with any bouncing of the cue.watch this shot in 4:03 by ding junhui,he has absolutely zero bouncing of the cue or body/head movement when executing a power draw,it's crazy.

Interesting that some of the players (Ding, Robertson) finish their stroke with the tip steady and almost on the cloth, but others (O'Sullivan) finish with their tips in the air.