Power Stroke Drill.

[JoeyA]

Thanks, but I didn't say how many tries it took, or how many times I LAUNCHED whitey!!

I'm going to work on it though. You've got me hooked. Power stroke was always one of my weaknesses, and now I'm determined to make it a percentage play. Keep posting those good drills.

td

You do know that you have to miss the five ball to get 20 points, right?

And you do know that MOST players will not be able to hit the five ball ever, let alone hit between the corner pocket and the edge of the five ball.

This drill isn't for the weak at heart but I can guarantee if you practice it and can hit any of the object balls, you will increase your stroke and your confidence will soar.

JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

I couldn't get it to the right side of the 5, i only knicked the 5 once. Could you do it?

Donny, I can hit the tough edge of the 5 ball (maybe three times) but have been unable to miss the 5 ball entirely (for now). Hit the 5 ball a few times but only twice on the tough side. One shot barely touched the right edge and I thought I was going to score a TWENTY.

When I am fresh, I will try it again. I think I know how to hit some of these shots now and get occasional and remarkable shape. You can too if I know a little bit of how you play.

I'm going to put up a shot that someone said Corey Deuel made and got some incredible shape. I'm going to put it up and I would like for you to comment on the possibility of the shot being made as shown in my diagram. It will be labeled, "???Corey Deuel Miracle shot???" I don't believe it can be made with the shape others have described. Let me know what you think of it.

Thanks,

JoeyA

 

[grindz]

You do know that you have to miss the five ball to get 20 points, right? >>

Yes, that was what I assumed was needed for 20 points. But like I said I'm not counting shots. I have 3 twenties so far ......I am hooked on this shot....I know..I AM a masochist!!

>>And you do know that MOST players will not be able to hit the five ball ever, let alone hit between the corner pocket and the edge of the five ball.<<

Is that true that most can't hit this? I guess I really am channeling Earl after watching him do some stroke shots in his exhibition here while at the Desert Shoot Out. Made me appreciate what is possible!!

Maybe my slow table helps in some way. :rolleyes

reps to you for a great drill and good posting.

td

 

[JoeyA]

You do know that you have to miss the five ball to get 20 points, right? >>

Yes, that was what I assumed was needed for 20 points. But like I said I'm not counting shots. I have 3 twenties so far ......I am hooked on this shot....I know..I AM a masochist!!

>>And you do know that MOST players will not be able to hit the five ball ever, let alone hit between the corner pocket and the edge of the five ball.<<

Is that true that most can't hit this? I guess I really am channeling Earl after watching him do some stroke shots in his exhibition here while at the Desert Shoot Out. Made me appreciate what is possible!!

Maybe my slow table helps in some way. :rolleyes

reps to you for a great drill and good posting.

td

Grindz, what city do you play out of?
JoeyA

 

[grindz]

I'm from Scottsdale, Az, a suburb of Phoenix. Not a player, just enjoy the game a lot....old, blind and shakey....so no grand aspirations

For some reason though this drill has me hooked. Although it has gotten even more difficult now that you told me it shouldn't be made

I'm going to keep giving you good reps for all the great threads you have going here!!

td

 

[JoeyA]

I'm from Scottsdale, Az, a suburb of Phoenix. Not a player, just enjoy the game a lot....old, blind and shakey....so no grand aspirations

For some reason though this drill has me hooked. Although it has gotten even more difficult now that you told me it shouldn't be made

I'm going to keep giving you good reps for all the great threads you have going here!!

td

If you're old, blind and shakey, please will those shakey limbs to me when you pass on.

Thanks for the nice words.

JoeyA

 

[grindz]

LOL....too funny. I won't be passing on any time soon I hope. I do get to join AARP next week though. That does make me feel OOOOLD! Guarantee that you don't want my eyes, and the shakes take a lot of the fun out of the game (they call it an essential tremor..I wouldn't wish it on anyone). Oh well, can't quit...I'm addicted. And I love the skill shots.

Seems like almost every thread I check out and like lately you have started. Props to you. Can I let the secret out on this skill challenge to see if it matches yours?

td

 

[JoeyA]

LOL....too funny. I won't be passing on any time soon I hope. I do get to join AARP next week though. That does make me feel OOOOLD! Guarantee that you don't want my eyes, and the shakes take a lot of the fun out of the game (they call it an essential tremor..I wouldn't wish it on anyone). Oh well, can't quit...I'm addicted. And I love the skill shots.

Seems like almost every thread I check out and like lately you have started. Props to you. Can I let the secret out on this skill challenge to see if it matches yours?

td

Absolutely!
JoeyA

 

[av84fun]

Thanks, but I didn't say how many tries it took, or how many times I LAUNCHED whitey!!

I'm going to work on it though. You've got me hooked. Power stroke was always one of my weaknesses, and now I'm determined to make it a percentage play. Keep posting those good drills.

td

LOL! I rarely launch whitey on a power draw stroke. My issue was that when I got the right combination of squirt adjustment (small but important at that distance with my 314-2) and got the CB to head for the rail above the 5 ball, it didn't have the legs to get to the rail...so I missed the 3 AND the 20 pt. shot for a zero score.

I actually did that twice in the 10 attempt series so I abandoned trying and went for the 3 and 1 ball scores..

Regards,
Jim

 

[grindz]

LOL! I rarely launch whitey on a power draw stroke. My issue was that when I got the right combination of squirt adjustment (small but important at that distance with my 314-2) and got the CB to head for the rail above the 5 ball, it didn't have the legs to get to the rail...so I missed the 3 AND the 20 pt. shot for a zero score.

I actually did that twice in the 10 attempt series so I abandoned trying and went for the 3 and 1 ball scores..

Regards,
Jim

I'm learning that I definitely need to keep working on this shot as I have far too many miscues. It is frustrating though. My solution is 1/2 tip of outside and low as you can go. No punch stroke, but a long power stroke aiming for 1/2 ball masse (combined with throw). It is difficult to get the speed and accuracy combined so the english is a must because when it hits the long rail it will help to get you there. I actually jawed a couple while drawing the cue into the corner while barely getting a rail. I'm going to keep at it until I can keep the miscues down to nil. Wish I had your consistency!!!

td

 

[JoeyA]

I'm learning that I definitely need to keep working on this shot as I have far too many miscues. It is frustrating though. My solution is 1/2 tip of outside and low as you can go. No punch stroke, but a long power stroke aiming for 1/2 ball masse (combined with throw). It is difficult to get the speed and accuracy combined so the english is a must because when it hits the long rail it will help to get you there. I actually jawed a couple while drawing the cue into the corner while barely getting a rail. I'm going to keep at it until I can keep the miscues down to nil. Wish I had your consistency!!!

td

I think it is Jim's 314-2 that gives him all that consistency too. That's why I have Mike Bender making me a 314-2 shaft for my POW-MIA cue as I write this reply.

Wait a minute Grindz. Did you say you jawed the object ball in the corner pocket and scratched in the same side but opposite corner pocket? If so, I am going to have to get you and Bob Jewett in the same room and pay Greg Sullivan for cloth replacement and let the two of you go at it for the Best Billiard Shot of youtube.

JoeyA

 

[grindz]

I think it is Jim's 314-2 that gives him all that consistency too. That's why I have Mike Bender making me a 314-2 shaft for my POW-MIA cue as I write this reply.

Wait a minute Grindz. Did you say you jawed the object ball in the corner pocket and scratched in the same side but opposite corner pocket? If so, I am going to have to get you and Bob Jewett in the same room and pay Greg Sullivan for cloth replacement and let the two of you go at it for the Best Billiard Shot of youtube.

JoeyA

LOL....3 reels of film later..edit out 2,947 miscues, 1,238 air balls, 784 dogs, 14 cue balls later (from bouncing on the tile floor), and watch my hair go grey and fall out.....seriously, I practiced your shot for hours over the last couple of days and I've only hit 3 twenties and scratched a couple while jawing OB. I'm just a banger....and now I need a new CB I don't seem to be able to duplicate things with measly CB.

You may have something with the cues helping, but I don't like to admit that a cue can make the difference. I think I will change tips to a little softer next time though (I won't mention names as I don't want to disparage any brands) as I have a hard laminate now and I am sick of the miscues. I generally use dime radius, so I am not sure if that factors in, or if it is stroke or what. I am still learning all this stuff after playing for over 30 years. This forum is an awesome tool though and I hope it opens up the game to a new level!

Were you POW or did you know someone who was/is? I have heard stories from my uncle who was POW in Italy in WWll.

td

 

[Rod]

I've played about 6 hours in the last 4 months. I had an hour or two so decided to give it a try. No warm up at all. Set up the shot, first time hit the inside of the 8. I thought this isn't as bad as it looks. I was wrong to a degree because I must have hit that first one pretty good.

I shot it three racks worth but its not at all what I call a power draw. Its really more of a finesse draw shot. No need for power here just hit the pocket as full as possible with low outside.

I did not keep score, just tried to finess whitey inside the 8. Overall I found its easy to hit the 8 with a few times hitting the inside of the 8. Only got inside the 8 three times. Once was an inside hit on the 5 one direct hit on the 5 and one between the 5 and 8.

It ain't going to get better, well it might but the extremely rare time I need that much control on a long tight draw shot I'm going to look at other options. Good drill though for those who need practice on long smooth draw strokes.

I shot your three rail follow shot from a month or better ago. I made it with position 7 times. I originally thought about 6 times would be good. I thought to do better using low outside but made it 7 times as well. I still think with more table time low is the best route for me.

Rod

 

[grindz]

I've played about 6 hours in the last 4 months. I had an hour or two so decided to give it a try. No warm up at all. Set up the shot, first time hit the inside of the 8. I thought this isn't as bad as it looks. I was wrong to a degree because I must have hit that first one pretty good.

I shot it three racks worth but its not at all what I call a power draw. Its really more of a finesse draw shot. No need for power here just hit the pocket as full as possible with low outside.

I did not keep score, just tried to finess whitey inside the 8. Overall I found its easy to hit the 8 with a few times hitting the inside of the 8. Only got inside the 8 three times. Once was an inside hit on the 5 one direct hit on the 5 and one between the 5 and 8.

It ain't going to get better, well it might but the extremely rare time I need that much control on a long tight draw shot I'm going to look at other options. Good drill though for those who need practice on long smooth draw strokes.

I shot your three rail follow shot from a month or better ago. I made it with position 7 times. I originally thought about 6 times would be good. I thought to do better using low outside but made it 7 times as well. I still think with more table time low is the best route for me.

Rod

After you try it (power stroke drill) for a while it does make some of the lesser stroke shots seem much easier, and I think that is the point of working on this one drill (for me anyway) Not sure what JoeyA had in mind other than helping us all with some interesting drills. I doubt that I would try for the twenty pointer in competition, but after shooting the drill, I would surely go after the 3 or 1 point shots. A lot seems to depend on equipment too. JMHO

td

 

[JoeyA]

After you try it (power stroke drill) for a while it does make some of the lesser stroke shots seem much easier, and I think that is the point of working on this one drill (for me anyway) Not sure what JoeyA had in mind other than helping us all with some interesting drills. I doubt that I would try for the twenty pointer in competition, but after shooting the drill, I would surely go after the 3 or 1 point shots. A lot seems to depend on equipment too. JMHO

td

Grindz, you got it right. Making a twenty is like hitting the lottery even for the best of players. But just like you said, practicing this drill will make you realize that the three and one point shots are practical although difficult. The other shape shots of lesser difficulty start looking easy.

Good observation and thinking.

JoeyA

 

[grindz]

Grindz, you got it right. Making a twenty is like hitting the lottery even for the best of players. But just like you said, practicing this drill will make you realize that the three and one point shots are practical although difficult. The other shape shots of lesser difficulty start looking easy.

Good observation and thinking.

JoeyA

Okay I don't want to beat a dead horse with this shot, but YOU started it!! I had to prove to myself that when I hit multiple twenties and even got to the point of the back corner scratches, that it wasn't flukes. So today I went about working on this seriously rather than just banging at the shot and trying to hit "the lottery". In the meantime I came up with some conclusions and maybe a new game. If you are an instructor (which it seems you may be based on your posts) feel free to use it.

Conclusions;
1. Dime shape on the tip causes miscues! Reshaped to nickel and only miscued twice of about 100 shots. COOL!
2. Depending on your equipment hitting twenties is not only not the 'lottery' but it is and should be between 10 and 20% or better proposition for us mortals. I know....don't ask me to back this up yet....I'm just a banger..remember.
3. It is also entirely possible (DOE..depending on equipment) to scratch in the back pocket...and maybe do this w/o a rail...again don't ask..... I think we should put Mike Masse on this one and he should make it one of his skill shots .... I'll be looking for this Mike if you're listining.
4. JoeyA you've helped my game!! Many thanks!

 

[AZE]

I like it. A lot. And if I ever manage to get out and play pool again in my lifetime I'll be sure to try it out. Thanks.

 

[MOJOE]

Joey,

I tried the shot 15 times. I hit the five 3 times, got between the 5 and the rail 1 time. Had a few miscues but most hit the 3 ball. The shot is tough for sure.

My equipment.

8 foot Olhausen, 4 3/8 at tightest part of pocket. Simonis 860 cloth, slightly worn. Cue is a Schuler, 1/8" ferrule, very low squirt.

I would hate to have to bet on the shot and hitting between pocket and 5 ball. Will work on the shot more during my next practice session.

JBK

 

[grindz]

Power stroke drill..The Game

This game to be played to the general rules of "around the world" in basketball. You start at a certain point shoot the shot..if you make it you continue..if you miss you get to try a "dare" if you miss the dare you end your turn and go back to the starting position. This can also be played remotely against an opponent just by counting # of shots. When you shoot from a position if you make a "5" by JoeyA system, then you get to try again from the same spot, if you score a 20 you get to move on. Depending on your ability you can start as close as 1 diamond from OB and move at 1/2 diamond increments and end at the 3rd or 4th diamond.

After you complete one side you go to the next. Gamblers can handicap this easily by eliminating one or more of the further diamonds.

I have found the from the 3rd diamond it is relatively easy (at least a 20% proposition) to hit the twenty, but beyond that it drops off. It does show though that it's not the lottery. I NEVER hit that!! Wanna play JoeyA?

 

[stumpie71]

Found this while looking up different drills. This is very challenging. I have started doing 10 shots per day to help me build my stroke. Started 4 days ago and have already seen some improvements. However I did notice several times(3) when i stroked the cb well though little firm the cb reacted a little funny. The cb would hit the side rail short of third diamond rebound towards the back rail then curve towards the side rail. Hitting around the second diamond. The curve is very noticeable, like it's trying to spin forward. I try to do the shot with no side. Was wondering what could cause this. The action is a little unusual. I play with super arimaths about 1 1/2 years old. Cloth is a knock off simonis (mali) worsted wool about a year old. Anyone have any thoughts on what could cause this.