Practical demonstration of cue tip path with a Pendulum stroke.
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Must...... Restrain....... Self....... From....... Making..... Joke....... Rick..... Mouth...... Aarrrghhhhhh.......
Well, I tried.
So I was playing snooker with an instructor all morning that taught me when I was a kid. He's been teaching for over 40 years and is regarded highly among the snooker world. We took a half time break for lunch seeing as he's getting old 
during that time I thought I'd ask him what he thought about different stroke and why he taught me the stroke he did.
The answer he gave was simple; it has few moving parts and is the easiest to reproduce time and again, especially under pressure.
Then I thought I'd enlighten him to AZB...nearly gave the old boy a heart attack from all the laughter! He found it hilarious that people were getting this irate. He said what does it matter if a stroke is straight or if its S, Z or W shaped? All he actually cared about was that a stroke should be repeatable, especially under pressure. If your stroke goes up or down you can adjust your start point to compensate, he said. He also added everyones stroke doesn't hit where they intend, but you can get close enough that it doesn't matter.
I felt like standing up and giving him a round of applause. I didn't - I um, 'let' him make an 86 break against me instead
This BS has gone on too long. And yeah, it is BS either way you look at it. Its not helping anyone, and no one has come out looking a better man.
Never thought I'd say this, bet where are the Johnny Archer threads at?
during that time I thought I'd ask him what he thought about different stroke and why he taught me the stroke he did. The answer he gave was simple; it has few moving parts and is the easiest to reproduce time and again, especially under pressure.
Then I thought I'd enlighten him to AZB...nearly gave the old boy a heart attack from all the laughter! He found it hilarious that people were getting this irate. He said what does it matter if a stroke is straight or if its S, Z or W shaped? All he actually cared about was that a stroke should be repeatable, especially under pressure. If your stroke goes up or down you can adjust your start point to compensate, he said. He also added everyones stroke doesn't hit where they intend, but you can get close enough that it doesn't matter.
I felt like standing up and giving him a round of applause. I didn't - I um, 'let' him make an 86 break against me instead
This BS has gone on too long. And yeah, it is BS either way you look at it. Its not helping anyone, and no one has come out looking a better man.
Never thought I'd say this, bet where are the Johnny Archer threads at?
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Apparently I have more restraint & good will than you.
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Let me guess, you're the most humble person you know, too..
Edit: If you can't understand how your comment is back-handed, just go away.
So I was playing snooker with an instructor all morning that taught me when I was a kid. He's been teaching for over 40 years and is regarded highly among the snooker world. We took a half time break for lunch seeing as he's getting old
The answer he gave was simple; it has few moving parts and is the easiest to reproduce time and again, especially under pressure.
Then I thought I'd enlighten him to AZB...nearly gave the old boy a heart attack from all the laughter! He found it hilarious that people were getting this irate. He said what does it matter if a stroke is straight or if its S, Z or W shaped? All he actually cared about was that a stroke should be repeatable, especially under pressure. If your stroke goes up or down you can adjust your start point to compensate, he said. He also added everyones stroke doesn't hit where they intend, but you can get close enough that it doesn't matter.
I felt like standing up and giving him a round of applause. I didn't - I um, 'let' him make an 86 break against me instead
This BS has gone on too long. And yeah, it is BS either way you look at it. Its not helping anyone, and no one has come out looking a better man.
Never thought I'd say this, bet where are the Johnny Archer threads at?
You are right in that no one comes out the better man for it. I have always taught my kids that if you get in the mud, you are going to get dirty no matter what your intention is. I knew that going in, and accepted it. My part was never about me. It was standing up for what is right, and not allowing someone else to constantly spread distortions and outright lies. My hope was that when proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be wrong, Rick would man up and stop his vendetta. I freely admit, I was a fool in thinking that. He is who he is, and has stated that he will not change. Will not admit to being wrong, will not apologize, and will continue on with his charades. Which he has already done in other threads.
A few of us thought we could change the forums for the better and put a stop once and for all to the nonsense on here. I guess we were fools.
I totally understand what it was.
It was in response to what?
Why don't you go away?
What was that?
There are TOO many on AZB that want to play on their own private One Way Street.
They want to launch but they don't want any return fire.
Or...is that what they really want & live for? The confrontation, so as to create the opportunity to display what they think is clever & makes them a better person.
Look how this thread & others are derailed by all of the personal 'assaults'.
I'm a responsive person. That can be an Achilles Heel & can make me a target for those that want the confrontations.
Why can't we just all talk about what is supposed to be the subject of this site, Billiards? AND do so civilly?
No. Instead many just act like spoiled adolescents.
I'm not directing any of that to you. I'm just speaking in general.
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Why do you keep arguing with people? Why don't you answer questions that are asked in seriousness? And lastly..
What have you done in your "47 years of experience" that warrants you being taken seriously?
No one thinks you are fools for trying to educate people. In a way, that applies to Rick, trying to satisfy his perception as well.
The point is what is anyone "proving" with the non-stop firing at each other? It appears that the point has been proven. It also appears that disparaging one another isn't likely to change anyone's behavior....
Oh well, carry on. There was plenty of good info in here. The only "foolish" parts were in the interactions, not the actual information discussed.
Again. mis-categorizations & distortions & putting words in my mouth that have never been spoken by me.
I am starting to think that you really believe the 'stuff' you are putting out.
I'll start saying more prayers for you.
Sorting through the background noise.
There is some good information to be had from these demonstrations by myself and Oldschool.
Too bad there is so much background noise.
For me, FLOSS shows the mechanical advantage of using as short a bridge as possible.
As to the background noise....
My reply to question in NPR thread, What constitutes trolling?
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What constitutes trolling?
I blocked you because you constantly take threads off topic and post back and forth with whom ever you are bickering with at the time. Creating a tremendous amount of background noise.
There is some good information to be had from these demonstrations by myself and Oldschool.
Too bad there is so much background noise.
For me, FLOSS shows the mechanical advantage of using as short a bridge as possible.
As to the background noise....
My reply to question in NPR thread, What constitutes trolling?
This message is hidden because ENGLISH! is on your ignore list. - 03-30-2013, 08:44 AM
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What constitutes trolling?
I blocked you because you constantly take threads off topic and post back and forth with whom ever you are bickering with at the time. Creating a tremendous amount of background noise.
Bruce,
I agree with you.
But...Please don't say anything that you do not believe.
Your statement in bold above implies what?
So...are you saying that when some one insults one or makes false statements about one, that one should not respond, so as to not make 'background noise'?
I ask you who is more responsible for creating the background noise?
The one making the personal insults &/or false statements or the one that responds in defense?
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I'm going to take the advise of a long time AZB menber.
I might have missed it among all the back and forth... (And I purposely avoided these pendulum debates over the last couple of years because I saw they just turned into arguments, like aiming threads do). But this thread has some good scientific information in it.
Greg's and Oldschools posts show a "nearly straight" path of the tip for a few inches.
I suppose the advantage of this is it affords a sweet spot where if the CB is struck in that range of a few inches, it will be struck very close to the intended spot. In my opinion, to maximize this potential, the CB to tip collision point should be exactly in the middle of the sweet spot. Do others agree with this collision point location? And if so, what conditions of bridge, elbow, and grip, get the collision point in the middle of the sweet spot?
Greg's and Oldschools posts show a "nearly straight" path of the tip for a few inches.
I suppose the advantage of this is it affords a sweet spot where if the CB is struck in that range of a few inches, it will be struck very close to the intended spot. In my opinion, to maximize this potential, the CB to tip collision point should be exactly in the middle of the sweet spot. Do others agree with this collision point location? And if so, what conditions of bridge, elbow, and grip, get the collision point in the middle of the sweet spot?
usetobe,
A very good question. I agree that if one is going to utilize it as a means for a margin of error that the contact point should be at the center of it & not at the end of it. No. I won't say any more about it than that.
I asked a very similar question regarding any angle of the forearm that might do as you are suggesting, I believe that was in the 'sweet spot' thread.
The answers that I got were in no way specific to the 'sweet spot' but instead were more like well for a shot against the rail you should might want to angle the arm this or for a shot lik this you might want to angle it that way.
Again you have asked a good question. I'll just leave it at that.
Regards & Best Wishes,
Rick
