I answer this rumor every time this comes up, too. Bottom line, if we're talking Masters Blue, the answer is no. Blue was not one of the colors that had any connection.
Freddie
Pre-flag masters - was there really any change?
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I answer this rumor every time this comes up, too. Bottom line, if we're talking Masters Blue, the answer is no. Blue was not one of the colors that had any connection.
Freddie
It's hard for me to imagine needing "better" chalk. I use Masters most of the time, and the only reason I miscue is if I try something ridiculous or stroke the ball like a mental defect. In which case I not only deserve to miscue, but could use an electric shock to promote more focus next time :grin:
Having said that, Silver Cup chalk is unbelievably bad. On the same cues, I can set up a shot that requires moderate english and make it every time (with Masters) and miscue every time with Silver Cup chalk. That was an eye opener.
Having said that, Silver Cup chalk is unbelievably bad. On the same cues, I can set up a shot that requires moderate english and make it every time (with Masters) and miscue every time with Silver Cup chalk. That was an eye opener.
Great pun! The story I recalled was a supplier for Tweeten had remove lead or mercury from the dyes.
*tinfoil hats on*
I heard a rumour that Tweeten also supplies Masters without the US Flag for foreign markets.
Now, who removed lead from pencils. No wonder our kids are doing so poorly with their number 2 pencils. There is no lead, just this expensive graphite.
They do produce chalk without the flag still, it's very common outside the usa but you see pieces floating
around locally too. You can tell it's not pre-flag because the wrappers are still fairly new and shiny.
I think people refer to it as no-flag rather than pre-flag.
There are studies about the lead content in chalk, and I think one member even posted a list
of different colors with their lead contentt. Maybe Patrick Johnson? But I can't find the post.
My memory is hazy but I think the study showed that regular blue masters chalk never changed,
but sky blue (slightly lighter blue) maybe had too much lead?
I did find this info posted:
And here's the scientific study where they tested it.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/97/6/916.abstract
There were three chalk colors that had the formula changed... tangerine and two types of green.
Blue never changed.
There's tons of trash on here.!!!
Huh? Tweeten does not sell Masters with no Flag unless its a private label thing like the ACA chalk.
The Flag addition had nothing to do with any change in the formula. Skip Nemecek cleared that up years ago.
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They actually do make and sell no-flag Master Chalk still to this day. Not for private labels but for general consumers in certain countries/regions where our beloved flag is not so highly respected.
Interesting. This makes very little sense to me since (according to my notes and previous conversations with Skip) the very reason for the flag was to differentiate the real Masters from the knockoffs. The patriotic angle was secondary.
I'd be interested to find out when they reincorporated non-flag labels because, because my notes from my visit to the shop were very clear that there was a flag on all now. But, clearly that's not the case (or gross) anymore.
Freddie
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Triangle chalk is the original Kiekhefer chalk. Skip Nemecek is actually from the Kiekhefer side of the business, so to speak, as Kiekhefer's was his family's chalk company that merged with Tweeten Fibre decades earlier.
Freddie <~~~ notes, notes and more notes
I have pre flag chalk because I believed the hype. Most of it came from here and people that have been around awhile. So instead of paying more for pre flag see this lava chalk online. Has anyone tried it? I ask because I bought pre flag because of how its the best and relatively cheap compared to others and not many people have it. I hate sharing chalk because people grind it into there tips and not having a flag on mine made it easy to differentiate between mine and the house chalk.
Thanx, Freddy...didn't know that.
I found that Triangle worked better for me in humid conditions.
pt....still has some Kiekhefer tips
Thank you for the correction.
Yep, those are the two I was going to try. Are you clairvoyant!!
Yup.
Freddie <~~~ knows that you'll like both
Was talking with Skip this morning about some unrelated things, but decided to verify the story, just to make sure that I hadn't gotten my facts mixed up. The flag was indeed introduced as a symbol of patriotism, post 911. The fact that China wouldnt trip over themselves to add a flag to their counterfeit chalk acted incidentally as a way to discern what was genuine and what was not.
And they do indeed (" absolutely" was his words) still produce no-flag Master Chalk for the reasons I stated previously.
I hope this clears up some of the speculation out there.
I masters chalk has flags on it....never had any problems or miscue issues. I have a couple pre-flag pieces I heisted from the pool hall many decades ago and kept in my cue case. I noticed no playing differences between them.
Thanks for the update!