Precision Machine Level .0002" / 10"

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I'm in the market for a machinist level but don't know much about them. I did an ebay search and came across this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MASTER-PREC...Z005QQcategoryZ104241QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Anyone know anything about this one? If not, can anyone comment on it based on the pic and description? I did notice that the Starretts measure to within .0005" / 10" while this one measures to within .0002" and the price is right. I'll leave it up to you that are more experienced than I. Thanks.
 
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I use two 12'' Starrets and two 18" Starrets and i love them. I have used others and i still like my Starrets. Spend the money and get the best end results, is what my grandpa used to say. He was a billiard technician for over forty years.
Thanx, Ron www.lccsbilliards.com
 
LCCS said:
I use two 12'' Starrets and two 18" Starrets and i love them. I have used others and i still like my Starrets. Spend the money and get the best end results, is what my grandpa used to say. He was a billiard technician for over forty years.
Thanx, Ron www.lccsbilliards.com


I agree with what your gramps said and I usually go with what my dad told me when buying tools and such, "Buy the best, you'll never regret it." However, I'm not a table mechanic, or a machinist. This level will get scarce and limited use, probably only when I recover my home table or need to level it. I considered getting a Starrett but thought I could save a few bucks since I'll only be using it every few years. Thanks.
 
If you are only going to use it occasionally, call a few local tool rental places. Some of them rent machinist levels for under $10/day.
 
this level should be fine. I'm not sure If I would purchase this for everyday leveling. but the tolerances are good for leveling pool tables.
 
Tools4Cheap? No-name level? Could be a message there.
You should probably get a planer too and make sure the slate backer boards you plan to install on your slate have equal thickness or the best level probably won't help.

Starrett = tried and true.
 
Dartman said:
Tools4Cheap? No-name level? Could be a message there.
You should probably get a planer too and make sure the slate backer boards you plan to install on your slate have equal thickness or the best level probably won't help.

Starrett = tried and true.
Now you're sounding like me...LMAO

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Now you're sounding like me...LMAO
Glen

Dunno if thats good or bad, LOL.

BTW - get ahold of me when the dvd is done and also let me know when you're ready to do replacement bar rails in quantity.
 
The level is "graduated" to read .0002/ 10". It may not actually be that accurate. If it's not flat, who knows where it'll be. I'm sure this is Chinese. Even a Polish made level of this kind goes for $200 to $250, but it would be a 12" level.
 
LCCS said:
I use two 12'' Starrets and two 18" Starrets and i love them. I have used others and i still like my Starrets. Spend the money and get the best end results, is what my grandpa used to say. He was a billiard technician for over forty years.
Thanx, Ron www.lccsbilliards.com


I am in no way dis-agreeing with anyone here, but if you are in the same boat as me this level is just fine, I own the very same one. I have my table on a wood floor in a finished attic. So my level will never be good enough because my floor is always settling and has a little bounce when a heavy guy is walking.

The way to tell if a level is accurate is flip it 180 degrees (when in the same place) and if you get the same reading all is good.
 
realkingcobra said:
The 8in level reads more of the lows and highs on a slate, compared to a longer level.

Glen

We are talking in two different strings Glen, so I am going to ask this in both. Are you saying that the 8 inch is better suited for a pool table than any of the longer Starretts?
 
I used to use a longer starret but now use an 8" level. A shorter level gives a more precise level job. With a shorter level it's harder to rush when leveling because you cover a shorter area when sliding along the slate, you go in 6-8" movements instead of 12"+ sliding of the level.

This is a case of " shorter is better and takes a little longer to reach the end."

I cary a pair of 12" and 8" starrets if you treat them like gold they last a long time, toss them around and off to buy replacement parts also dont leave them out in the cold either.

Craig
 
n10spool said:
I used to use a longer starret but now use an 8" level. A shorter level gives a more precise level job. With a shorter level it's harder to rush when leveling because you cover a shorter area when sliding along the slate, you go in 6-8" movements instead of 12"+ sliding of the level.

This is a case of " shorter is better and takes a little longer to reach the end."

I cary a pair of 12" and 8" starrets if you treat them like gold they last a long time, toss them around and off to buy replacement parts also dont leave them out in the cold either.

Craig
100% correct!

Glen
 
Thanks Glen and Craig, this has been helpful but you have given rise to a new question. I know Glen is a mechanic and assume Craig is also and you both seem to be looking at this from the viewpoint of someone installing a new slate into a table being built.

With a table that has been newly purchased, one hopes that the slate within has already been checked for hills and valleys and has a perfectly level surface and is supported properly to prevent any warping.

At that point, one just needs to know that the playing surface itself is level and it would seem to me that the 8" and 18" level would produce pretty much the same result. Considering cost that also confirms your choice of the 8 inch level.

Now I get crazy. When Andy installed this 8' Diamond Table in the bar, he showed how placing a dollar bill under the level threw it off and sliding it out returned the reading to level. Impressive, but it also tells me you have to be sure you clean the area before checking levels because a nearly invisible piece of lint or tiny chalk crumb could make readings worthless.

Finally, with a Brooklyn, NY winter on the way, I already had a nice spot in the toolbox in the trunk of my car picked out for this level. Thanks for the "cold" warning.
 
In the 24 plus years that I've been in this business, I can count the number of "Perfect" slates I've delt with on one hand. "New" slate, is just that, "New", which means, it hasn't been used before. Now, that don't make it perfect. ALL slates, to some extent need leveling, with the "Rare" exceptions I mentioned. Yes, slates are suppose to be ground to a certain tolerance, but, that's when it's on the grinding machine, not when it's on a pool table frame. Slates being flat over a large area, can and will flex, or lay to a certain extent, to the frame that it's being attached to. The leveling of the slate is more or less, matching it to the frame of the table. I can't tell you how many tables I've set up that the slate was perfect, but the frame of the table sagged in the middle by 3/4" under the weight of the slate laying on the frame. So, yes, it's important to be able to read them hills and valleys in the surface of the slate, side to side and end to end, in order to insure a perfect fit of the slate to the frame it's resting on, if you want to make sure that the balls don't roll off!!...LOL Slate WILL sag side to side under it's OWN weight, if it's not supported properly, and that's what you need a short level, to be able to see that sag. Think about it, a 4ft machinist level, would show you that from side to side, the table was flat, but because it bridges the slate entirely for the most part, you'd never see the sag in the middle of the level, because it's being bridged by the level. Yes, you could slide a dollar under the level in the middle and see that it don't touch, but that wouldn't tell you how much you need to raise the middle of the slate to raise up that valley to level. But, now an 8 inch level, that reads high on both sides, indicating that the middle was low, would also read level on both sides, once you raised the center to the same height as the outside edges.

Glen
 
Glen, I think you are still addressing this from the point of view of someone building a table. I am talking about the 8 foot Diamond table that Andy installed in the bar in Brooklyn in April.

That slate was supposedly checked and installed by the people at Diamond and judging by playing the table it was properly ground to a level surface and is properly supported to prevent the valleys you mention. Assuming the slate surface was level when installed and properly supported, the slate itself should be just fine. I can check the table to make sure it is level overall and use the leg adjusters to make corrections if it isn't.

Even if I did detect that either side to side or end to end there was a low point in the slate center, I wouldn't be able to fix that, I would have to call Brian and report there was a defect in the table.

BTW, my mention of the dollar bill had nothing to do with leveling the table, Andy just did that to show just how accurate the level itself was. After he had the table level, he put the bill on the table and placed the end of the level on the bill. The level then showed the table was off level and returned to a level reading when he slid the bill out from under the level.

BTW2, what is the size of the head on the leg adjuster bolts?
 
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