Predator 10-ball Payouts??
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JAM said:Thanks so much for posting up this payout information, Juegabillar!
Whoever comes in first, second, or third/fourth will make a profit. The other players, depending on their lodging, travel, and food expenses, will be stuck.
What you state in your post makes a whole lot of sense.
The problem with American pool, the way I see it, is that there is a definite class structure being created in recent times.
The rich keep on getting richer, and some American professional players are experiencing hardships.
JAM
How can you continually fault people for trying to make money. America is not a Socialist or Communist country, thank god. The fact that the rich get richer is because they are smart and that is part of the reason they are rich in the first place. Ive always said and told many pool playing friends, if you dont like the way professional pool pays, then get a damn job that does. I get so tired of people complaining about not making enough money playing in pool tournaments and how they cant support themselves. Guess what, the rest of the country works jobs that can support themselves. Why should I feel sorry for someone that won't get off their ass and help themselves?
ginsu said:
For the young aspiring professional pool players who have talent, competing in tournaments is exciting, especially when they have a chance to strut their stuff on a field of green.
For the older professional pool players who have talent, competing in tournaments is not as exciting as it used to be. The tournament payouts remain the same in 2007 as they were in 1987. Yet, like you state in your post with the gas prices, the cost of living has gone up considerably.
Winning $10,000, for example, as a first-place prize in 1987 would go a lot further than winning $10,000 in today's pool world in America. If you are not one of the fortunate few pool players who are sponsored, you have to fork out expense monies for all those tournaments that you didn't win the first prize of $10,000.
American pool promoters should be trying to cultivate what existing pro players exist in today's pool world. Instead, there is segregation, which prohibits some pro players from competing in events. It's a compound fracture -- too expensive and too many stop signs. Thus, the existing lot of American professional players continues to dwindle away. Fast forward 20 years from now to 2027, how many American professional players do you think will still be around competing?
JAM
corvette1340 said:
I agree with your statement if you are a no-talent pool player, but for the fortunate ones who are given a gift from God, there is no existing base for them to shine in today's pool world.
The same thing is happening today in the pool world as it was in the '70s, '80s, and '90s as far as the class structure. The BCA is not as supportive of professional pool as I would like, and the pool industry members who do invest monies into the sport can only invest so much.
In case you are not aware, let me enlighten you. It is impossible to compete as a professional player and hold down a job. Therefore, you have to make a decision if you want to compete professionally. If you go for the job, then you will not be able to keep in stroke.
Most professional players I know, with a few exceptions, do not have a job because it would be impossible for them to ask their employer to take off from work two, three, and four times every single month to follow the tournament trail.
Hope this helps you understand the current state of affairs better.
JAM
corvette1340 said:
I think your really missing the point. At one time pro golf had the same problems pool has but they continued on and now they a doing quite well. Pool may not get there when some people in there base support group are more interested in which pro would win in a bar fight rather win on the pool table!
JAM said:
No, I know exactly the state of current affairs. I have several friends that CHOOSE to try and grind it out on the regional pro tours instead of getting another job. They scuffle and gamble a bit and play small tourneys to get by and that's fine. Its often times easy money with relatively easy work and conditions. They will make scores and be ok for times and other times struggle. I have no problem with someone that does this. But, please, if you choose to do this, do not complain about tournament payouts and why pool players don't make more money. I could go and work at Mcdonalds if I WANTED too. Unfortunately it would not pay my mortgage and support my family and the lifestyle I choose to have. Therefore, I choose not to work at Mcdonalds. I am simply saying that when pool doesnt pay the bills then its time to find other avenues of work regardless of whether you keep in stroke or not.
The person that I overheard was not on the roster so it was not ES.
The impression that I got from listening to this person was that more money was given by sponsors than what is being added and that is where the large sum of pocketed money is coming from.
It is quite possible that none of this is true. When I consider the source as far as who they are and who they know, I feel that there is quite possibly some validity to what they were saying.
The impression that I got from listening to this person was that more money was given by sponsors than what is being added and that is where the large sum of pocketed money is coming from.
It is quite possible that none of this is true. When I consider the source as far as who they are and who they know, I feel that there is quite possibly some validity to what they were saying.
corvette1340 said:
Spoken like a true no-talent pool player. I am a no-talent pool player as well.
If you had "it," you'd understand "it" a whole lot better.
Nobody is talking about gambling and grinding it out. What I am speaking about is PROFESSIONAL pool as a sport. It is almost impossible to hold down a job and compete professionally.
And by the way, I will complain about tournament payouts and express my opinion, just as you do.
There are some pool players who do have talent and are very worthy professionals. The word by its very meaning -- "PROFESSION" -- is key here. It is not possible to shoot pool as a professional in today's climate.
Maybe you should stick to you day job and boast a little more about how good you have it -- even though in my life's experience, those who do boast are nothing more than insecure nobodies -- and continue to spew out nasty comments about professional pool players who are struggling to keep their collective heads above water.
JAM
ginsu said:
Professional Pool will never have a mainstream governing association and never be taken seriously due to a number of factors. Sponsors do not want to commit more money due to the fact that unfortunately Pro Pool does not draw the masses that other sports do. If you want to get right down to it, lets say that a governing body did exist. Shouldn't the governing body be a model of the other professional governing bodies like the PGA, NBA, MLB, and NFL? If so, then pro players would be required to do things like sign contracts, act in a certain manner, and undergo mandatory drug testing. How many professional pool players do you think might agree to these?
Thank you, Harold! That is exactly what I was looking for. Substantial added money and promotion of course needs much bigger coporate players. Currently there is simply not enough public interest in pro pool.juegabillar said:
Doc
"Ive always said and told many pool playing friends, if you dont like the way professional pool pays, then get a damn job that does."
wow, that is truly truly ignorant
if players were to follow such ignorant advice there would be no more pros seeing as how most of them battle their need for income against their love of the game on a lifelong basis
I doubt you would EVER have the nerve to make such a statement in a room full of pros who dedicate their lives to this game
you sir are a twit, perhaps even jealous of their talent, possibly a coward and clearly a bitter man
I pity you
wow, that is truly truly ignorant
if players were to follow such ignorant advice there would be no more pros seeing as how most of them battle their need for income against their love of the game on a lifelong basis
I doubt you would EVER have the nerve to make such a statement in a room full of pros who dedicate their lives to this game
you sir are a twit, perhaps even jealous of their talent, possibly a coward and clearly a bitter man
I pity you
JAM said:
Exactly what have I said "nasty" about professional pool players? The fact that I have it good is because I work my goddamn ass off 55 hours a week. Then I come home every day and cook for my wife and feed my daughter. I might even do yardwork or other chores if they need doing. And I never claimed to be good at pool , but i will gamble with anyone for whatever they want to, you can bet your sweet ass on that. I dont have a problem with anyone that has talent in a certain field. In fact, if whining about the state of american pool was a profession then you would be at the top of it.
That's true, but both golf and tennis garnered interest at least in part due to the fact that they were upperclass endeavors. Even billiards may have had that distinction in the late 19th Century. But pool seems to have sprung up from gambling, boozing, prostitution, and all those other fun things, which have given pool a bad image up until current times. However, if poker can leap frog over that type of image to become as wildly popular and visible as it is today, then one would think pool could too. My guess is that the public doesn't really understand pool. There are too many centers of activity in a small space. Even so, presented correctly, it could take off.ginsu said:
Doc
smashmouth said:
lol, I have Shannon Daulton, Corey Deuel, and Stevie Moore's cell phone numbers right here. Three of my good friends. Fortunately for them, they have found other avenues to support themselves besides just pool. Would you care to ask them if I would say it to them or any other pool player? Ive gambled with almost all of the players that are at the Predator stop in Florida at one time or another so saying this exact thing in a room full of them all would be no problem.
You're pathetic, and at the risk of getting banned, you're a *****, plain and simple. Most people here will agree with that. Perhaps I should have reserved my pity for you wife and daughter.
rant finished, I'm done with you
rant finished, I'm done with you
smashmouth said:
very well, 5 stars is a high rating to give me, thanks.
corvette1340 said:
I "whine" about the State of American pool because I have made a huge personal investment in it, and I am not talking about money here.
You have posted on this forum about your $150,000 job while you play Internet poker at the office, trying to relay to others that your income means something. It don't mean squat in my book.
I think I probably have more gamble in my pinky that you do, Pal, but that doesn't mean I desire to gamble with the likes of you.
I will continue to express my opinions about the the state of American pool as a profession, but when a previously banned AzBilliards poster begins to stir it up with me, like you are on this thread, then my better judgment tells me to be cognizant that there are some posters on this forum who have been ignorant, are still ignorant, and will continue to be ignorant.
Now go back to your extremely informative posts such as Hubert and Karen in a bar fight. That is such a great pool-related post for us all to enjoy reading. What a contribution you have made to this forum.
JAM
corvette1340 said:
I agree with what you say in that there is no audience. There never will be until someone takes intrest in this game and takes intrest in the youth of tady. That is where it begins. this would be expensive and not happen overnight. Who would invest that time and money.
I will disagree and say that if there were to be a governing body such as the NFL,NBA,PGA, Or PGA, the players just might surprise us as to what they may do. Many I feel would swim a river of s... to be involved in some structure with light at the end of the tunnel. How do we know? There never has been much to be excited about except for the IPT and that is a whole different story.
IMO, it begins with the youth. How many men are in MLB who didn't play Little League Baseball? How may go to MLB games who have never been to a Little League game? Every sport targets 6,8,10, and 12 year old kids. Where else does an audience come from?Why in this industry are there no programs for the youth? Most will argue that it is because of the gmes image. Well, we are the image. For everything the BCA wants to take credit for, why not take credit for the image?
Love of the gme will only take one so far and only so many miles. When this happenss in the NBA,NFL, or MLB, it is ususally time to talk retirement. Pool is a little different as very few ever want to retire.