Predator P3 cue
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Hello,
I love my 314(2) shaft and like the BK2. However I'm afaid that the P3 is more of a gimmick, just something else to put out.
I really liked the Blak4 and noticed it used the C4 Technology, why not the P2 Technology and not too mention the soon to be released P3 Tech??? The three Technologies are all suposed to cut down vibration and make for a real solid hit with great feed back, is one really better then the other? Hmmmmmm
Still love the shaft though
J.W.
I love my 314(2) shaft and like the BK2. However I'm afaid that the P3 is more of a gimmick, just something else to put out.
I really liked the Blak4 and noticed it used the C4 Technology, why not the P2 Technology and not too mention the soon to be released P3 Tech??? The three Technologies are all suposed to cut down vibration and make for a real solid hit with great feed back, is one really better then the other? Hmmmmmm
Still love the shaft though
J.W.
JAW725 said:Hello,
I love my 314(2) shaft and like the BK2. However I'm afaid that the P3 is more of a gimmick, just something else to put out.
I really liked the Blak4 and noticed it used the C4 Technology, why not the P2 Technology and not too mention the soon to be released P3 Tech??? The three Technologies are all suposed to cut down vibration and make for a real solid hit with great feed back, is one really better then the other? Hmmmmmm
Still love the shaft though
J.W.
Did you hit balls with the P3?
JoeyA
JoeyA said:
No I did not. I just don't know why Predator would use an inferior technology ( C4 ) in the newer Blak Series when they could have used the P2 or even the P3 technology. All three are to accomplish basically the same but it is not stated what makes one tech better then the other ( besides one has 4 vs 10 vs 30 pieces ). Why does Predator still push the C4 tech , especially in newly released cues? if the P3 tech is superior at accomplishing the goal of the ultimate hit I assume all their cues would be of this design.Joey, I'm not trying to get on your nerves but I see Predator with three different technologies that all state they do the same thing. I really was thinking of getting a Blak4 but the C4 maybe an inferior design to the P3, so why would I want that?
Just out of curiosity, have you hit with both a C4 cue and a P2 cue and was there indeed a noticeable difference in the hit? If so, then to me Predator shouldn't be releasing knew cues with the C4 tech.
With respects,
J.W.
J.W.:
I think it is easy to understand why Predator pushes the C4: because it should be cheaper and easier to produce, than the 10-splice P2, and due to the 4-cores are placed inside of the cue they can wrap the core around with whatever material they like and they can create new inlay designs. When it comes to the P2 you always see the 10 lines running through the cue with the exception of those three P2s that are painted.
I have had a 5k2 with the C4 technology and it hit great but I had to face the truth (after playing with a BLAK-3 too) that the butts of Predator hit rather 'dead'. They just give you a tired "thummp" when you hit the CB and that's it.
After playing with an old Meucci, owning a Schon and now a Capone it is easy to see that - to me! - there are many better cues than Predator.
I used to say that Predator is like McDonald's. Anyone on Earth can cook their meals like almost anyone can use the machines in the Predator factory in China - maybe after a 2-day course. Like McDonald's meals are good yet they are not a gastronomical wonder either - just like with Predator: their cues hit OK but there are so many more better: made better, built better, and done with much greater CARE.
As I see it Predator now is trying to produce something that is easy to manufacture while minimizing the loss during the manufacturing process. I mean if you take a look at the P3 with its 30 piece structure... that means they can use even worse quality wood and even smaller pieces of it - and I am sure that they will!
If you consider the raised number of warranty issues - with 2 weeks old shaft's ferrule flying off on a regular basis - with $1,000 dollar cues that buzz like a $100 Cuetec...
It's too bad that I don't feel confident enough to encourage players around here to buy those shafts whenever they come to ask me about them because there's no warranty that their ferrules will last long enough.
Finally, the eagerly anticipated P3 looks like... well, I think everyone should decide himself how a $800 cue should look like but IMO definitely not like this.
To say something positive I admire the Air Jump cue because it does incredible things.
Sorry for the OFF-topic reply but I don't think the P3 is worth waiting for so long - and paying for it so much.
Good luck with your search for a review on the P3, I'd be curious to hear some personal reviews about it.
I think it is easy to understand why Predator pushes the C4: because it should be cheaper and easier to produce, than the 10-splice P2, and due to the 4-cores are placed inside of the cue they can wrap the core around with whatever material they like and they can create new inlay designs. When it comes to the P2 you always see the 10 lines running through the cue with the exception of those three P2s that are painted.
I have had a 5k2 with the C4 technology and it hit great but I had to face the truth (after playing with a BLAK-3 too) that the butts of Predator hit rather 'dead'. They just give you a tired "thummp" when you hit the CB and that's it.
After playing with an old Meucci, owning a Schon and now a Capone it is easy to see that - to me! - there are many better cues than Predator.
I used to say that Predator is like McDonald's. Anyone on Earth can cook their meals like almost anyone can use the machines in the Predator factory in China - maybe after a 2-day course. Like McDonald's meals are good yet they are not a gastronomical wonder either - just like with Predator: their cues hit OK but there are so many more better: made better, built better, and done with much greater CARE.
As I see it Predator now is trying to produce something that is easy to manufacture while minimizing the loss during the manufacturing process. I mean if you take a look at the P3 with its 30 piece structure... that means they can use even worse quality wood and even smaller pieces of it - and I am sure that they will!
If you consider the raised number of warranty issues - with 2 weeks old shaft's ferrule flying off on a regular basis - with $1,000 dollar cues that buzz like a $100 Cuetec...
It's too bad that I don't feel confident enough to encourage players around here to buy those shafts whenever they come to ask me about them because there's no warranty that their ferrules will last long enough.
Finally, the eagerly anticipated P3 looks like... well, I think everyone should decide himself how a $800 cue should look like but IMO definitely not like this.
To say something positive I admire the Air Jump cue because it does incredible things.
Sorry for the OFF-topic reply but I don't think the P3 is worth waiting for so long - and paying for it so much.
Good luck with your search for a review on the P3, I'd be curious to hear some personal reviews about it.
JAW725 said:
Joey, I'm not trying to get on your nerves but I see Predator with three different technologies that all state they do the same thing. I really was thinking of getting a Blak4 but the C4 maybe an inferior design to the P3, so why would I want that?
Just out of curiosity, have you hit with both a C4 cue and a P2 cue and was there indeed a noticeable difference in the hit? If so, then to me Predator shouldn't be releasing knew cues with the C4 tech.
With respects,
J.W.
J.W.,
Quite frankly, I am rather naieve about the different technologies that you speak of but I will try to read up on them. I try to reserve judgement on cue technology until I use them to see if that technology will benefit me.
What can you tell me about them?
Thanks,
JoeyA
I own 2 P2 cues, the hit and balance is great IMO. A slight step up from the C4 models I have played with which also have played/hit great. I see a number of Pros that play with the P2. I think C4 allows for more work to be done on the asthetic value of the cue. Which is why the blak series was done so. I don't think Predator would just roll the P3 out if it didn't have an extremely solid hit. To me it seems like Predator has just been delivering great products, Air, BK2!, 314 and Z shafts, Im gona buy the P3 fo sho.......... maybe I am just a Predator fanboy 
poohkiller said:
Like you said, their shafts are a proven commodity, but I could never for the life of me figure how they priced their full cues I guess with the butts still produced by Falcon. Some only look OK, but the prices are not a great value for what your getting. JMO.
Those prices ARE overrated, you are very right IMO.
Just look at the BLAK-4... its MSRP is a stunning $1,374.00 and you can buy them for $1,099.20 at the Authorized Dealers...
Then take a look at the F/S section of this forum and see what can you get for $1100? There's a nice Scruggs on here for $1200 and that's a hair over it and it is waaay more favorable than any of those Predator butts produced in numbers of tens of thousands...
Just look at the BLAK-4... its MSRP is a stunning $1,374.00 and you can buy them for $1,099.20 at the Authorized Dealers...
Then take a look at the F/S section of this forum and see what can you get for $1100? There's a nice Scruggs on here for $1200 and that's a hair over it and it is waaay more favorable than any of those Predator butts produced in numbers of tens of thousands...
I do not understand spending that kind of money on a chinese production cue, or any production cue for that matter, when you can get a fine custom cue for the same price, even less.
JAW725 said:
I spoke with a very spirited young lass from Predator today about the very same subject. She explained the different cues (and the technology they employ) are all designed to provide a different hit, or at least a different feel of a hit. She went on to explain that not every hit type is for every player, hence the different product platforms and product lines. She was very clear that Predator doesn't endorse any one of the technologies as superior to the others. Hope that helps. -Z-
ive got to agree with the people comparing the predator to custom cues. why would you spend 1000 dollars or 1500 for a limited edition on a predator when you can have a nice custom stick for the same price or cheaper. personally i am huge fan of Pat Diveney's work and have bought two cues from him. i have also played with a scruggs and darrin hill cue. all of which hit better than ANY production cue i have ever had in my hand, including predator. if you want the low deflection of a predator shaft then buy a custom stick and put their shaft on it. production cues are meant for those people who dont want to spend the money on a custom cue. and considering predators are made in the same factory in china as lucasi they should be no more than 300-400. just my 2c
Henry said:
I'll send you some healthy REP in advance for a lengthy post on your report of your P3. Thanks!
Because you're new to the forum, you probably don't know what REP is but that's OK. It's all good.
Send in that report on Sunday and don't sugar-coat your post. :smile: JoeyA
I hit a few balls with a P3 and it hits like a ton of bricks. VERY solid BUT it does feel nice and is well balanced. Would I pay 900 for it? No. If you are into a solid hit than maybe you would like it. Like everything else this is just personal opinion. I like the hit of the P2 better.