Predator SP * point red F/S

tjsupra2003

tjsupra2003

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As the title states I have this used Predator sp. This cue is has definently seen some play. Some bumps and bruises in the forearm and handle. I tried to get the best pic I could.. The shaft is in excellent shape.
Priced accordingly at $225
 

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tjsupra2003 said:
As the title states I have this used Predator sp. This cue is has definently seen some play. Some bumps and bruises in the forearm and handle. I tried to get the best pic I could.. The shaft is in excellent shape.
Priced accordingly at $225
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I just received this cue.

This is by far the worst transaction I have personally had with a member of AZ.

What he described as "some bumps and bruises" turned out to be a cue that looks like it was dragged behind a car. There isn't an inch on the butt of this cue that doesn't have a dent or finish missing. And describing the shaft to be in "excellent condition" is a joke. The finish on the shaft is all dented as well and it looks like someone tried to sand it and polish it to try and hide it. It's also badly warped. It was obviously not just used, but abused. Had you tried to get "the best pic you could" you would have taken photos of the places where the finish is broken and missing.

Here are a few I took without even trying. No flash or fancy lighting. Just pointing the camera at the cue and shooting.

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Looks like a $200 dollar 8 pointer to me, atleast from your pics. Is it straight? If it is, then $125 to refinish and you still got a deal IMHO



*this is based on pictures, of course
 
jemerson23 said:
Looks like a $200 dollar 8 pointer to me, atleast from your pics. Is it straight? If it is, then $125 to refinish and you still got a deal IMHO



*this is based on pictures, of course
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I think you missed the point. Forget about the price. The condition has no bearing on what you paid for it. it is either as described, or not. I thought I was getting a deal on the cue because of the way it was described. If I knew it was this bad, I wouldn't have bought it. When something is described as having a few bumps, I don't expect the entire cue to have dents all over it.

It is hard to tell from the photos, but it is in very bad condition. And I haven't even rolled it yet so it may get worse. :angry:

If you think it's a $200 8 pointer, feel free to pm me and I'll give you my Paypal address. :p
 
well hopefully it rolls true.

have you contacted the seller, before posting this publicly?

He may take it back and make things right,if their was a communication issue. He did state it has definently seen some play. Some bumps and bruises in the forearm and handle. So expectations could go either way on the cue's condition.

Hopefully it gets resolved, he doesn't seem to have a bad track record.
 
jemerson23 said:
well hopefully it rolls true.

have you contacted the seller, before posting this publicly?

He may take it back and make things right,if their was a communication issue. He did state it has definently seen some play. Some bumps and bruises in the forearm and handle. So expectations could go either way on the cue's condition.

Hopefully it gets resolved, he doesn't seem to have a bad track record.
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Normally, I would have contacted the seller and asked him to make it right. I can certainly understand a communication problem. However in this instance I feel the cue was completely misrepresented.

He states a few bumps and bruises. I started counting them and after I got over 100 I got frustrated and stoped.

If it had a few, I would have been ok with it. I was going to sell the shaft and have a new standard shaft made for it and use it as my bar cue. As it stands, any house cue I've seen in a bar is in better condition that this. :(

To top it off, I just rolled the shaft and his "excellent condition" apparently means warped so bad it's unplayable.
 
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If you do end up keeping it I will sell you a shaft for it and you try it before buying it just because of this transaction. Its used but I will cut you a deal
 
8up said:
If you do end up keeping it I will sell you a shaft for it and you try it before buying it just because of this transaction. Its used but I will cut you a deal
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Thank you for the offer but I have filed a dispute with Paypal so I'm pretty sure the cue is going back.

Also, I didn't buy this cue for the "Predator" factor. In fact, I planned on selling the shaft which is one of the reasons why this is so upsetting. I was going to use the money for the sale to have a standard shaft made for it.
 
Monstermash said:
Thank you for the offer but I have filed a dispute with Paypal so I'm pretty sure the cue is going back.

Also, I didn't buy this cue for the "Predator" factor. In fact, I planned on selling the shaft which is one of the reasons why this is so upsetting. I was going to use the money for the sale to have a standard shaft made for it.
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I am curious as to if you contacted the seller first before posting in this thread and filing the dispute. That would be the first thing I would do and request a refund or partial refund if I was thinking of keeping it, perhaps he would just give your money back, his Itrader looks good. :cool:
 
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I don't know if posting on here is the right thing to do but...
I thought my description was fine.
I woke up today to find a unhappy customer had pmed me
I would do anything to keep my customers happy. Then I found that itrader was already left. Then I found I was being bashed on my post..

I normally stick to new and like new cues.
I would have done everything in my power to do what is right
And keep a happy customer. But now what I feel like I have been attacked.

This transaction is NOT how I do business.
All apologies to az
Thanks Rich..
 
Fast Lenny said:
I am curious as to if you contacted the seller first before posting in this thread and filing the dispute. That would be the first thing I would do and request a refund or partial refund if I was thinking of keeping it, perhaps he would just give your money back, his Itrader looks good. :cool:
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Really? Why would it be necessary to contact the seller FIRST? The cue was purposely misrepresented and thats all there is to it.

If it was questionable, I would have contacted him to see if it could be made right. Why do you people always think it's ok for someone to screw you and then ask for forgivness? No, forgivness is reserved for something that was done unintentionally.

If I punched you in the face and then said I was sorry, does it mean it was ok to punch you in the face? No, it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

I have NEVER sold something without disclosing any issues it may have. Has it cost me some money to be honest? Could I have described it differently and sold it for a higher price? You bet. But I can say that when I sell something I look it over and describe it to the best of my ability. The seller claims to deal in high end cues. Would you buy a high end cue from someone who describes items like this?

Look, the butt was described as being used and having some bumps and bruises. I get that. But what constitutes "some"? Is it 3-4? 5-6? Or maybe some is 100+ like this cue.

Additionally, take a look at the video I posted in post #8. Do you think that is "excellent shape".

Giving someone a chance to "make it right" is only applicable when there is a slight discrepancy because we all seem to have a different of opinion as to what "excellent" is. But a shaft that is warped beyond playability is far from excellent.
 
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tjsupra2003 said:
I don't know if posting on here is the right thing to do but...
I thought my description was fine.
I woke up today to find a unhappy customer had pmed me
I would do anything to keep my customers happy. Then I found that itrader was already left. Then I found I was being bashed on my post..

I normally stick to new and like new cues.
I would have done everything in my power to do what is right
And keep a happy customer. But now what I feel like I have been attacked.

This transaction is NOT how I do business.
All apologies to az
Thanks Rich..
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If you had wanted a happy customer, you would have described the cue accurately.

I have NEVER sold something without disclosing any issues it may have. Has it cost me some money to be honest? Could I have described it differently and sold it for a higher price? You bet. But I can say that when I sell something I look it over and describe it to the best of my ability. You claim to deal in high end cues. Would you buy a high end cue from someone who describes items like this?

Look, the butt was described as being used and having some bumps and bruises. I get that. But what constitutes "some"? Is it 3-4? 5-6? Or maybe "some" is 100+ like this cue.

Additionally, take a look at the video I posted in post #8. Do you think that is "excellent shape".

Giving someone a chance to "make it right" is only applicable when there is a slight discrepancy because we all seem to have a different of opinion as to what "excellent" is. But a shaft that is warped beyond playability is far from excellent.

I tell you what, You want a happy customer? Refund me $125 and I'll send you the shaft back. At least it would be what I expected to get for the shaft that is un-sellable in it's condition.
 
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I apologize to everyone who had to listen to this.
I would have fixed this.

TOM
your money has been held through your dispute.
So everything is going to be ok.
Please send back the cue and move on.

Everyone who knows me through az or Mr.cues
Knows I'm stand up. I'm sorry over this miscommunication

Everyone with a clear mind also know that when a problem occurs
The first thing you do is contact seller regardless of what analogies
You choose to use.
 
Hmm..

tjsupra2003 said:
I don't know if posting on here is the right thing to do but...
I thought my description was fine.
It was... just that...this cue doesn't look like a few dents bruises. You could do eloquent pictures next time.
I woke up today to find a unhappy customer had pmed me
He did the right thing.
I would do anything to keep my customers happy. Then I found that itrader was already left. Then I found I was being bashed on my post..
Monstermash should not do this. Maybe he was upset because he saw the disaster. But was not the right thing.

I normally stick to new and like new cues.
This is not even close...
I would have done everything in my power to do what is right
And keep a happy customer. But now what I feel like I have been attacked.
It was the reaction of a man who realized that he just threw away 200$ on a cue badly wounded.You should be in his place for a sec and you'll realize why...IMO was a childish attitude, but I kind of understand the man.

This transaction is NOT how I do business.
I believe you...This will not affect my deals with you in the future. But you should make this right...you decide. as far as I know itrader can be edited...isn't it?
All apologies to az
Thanks Rich..
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Chris

PS: It happens but it shouldn't. This is a community and we should act like members of it. You "forgot" to upload clear pictures, Monstermash forgot how to communicate in this situation....You should be more careful, things like this should not happen so often.
 
tjsupra2003 said:
I apologize to everyone who had to listen to this.
I would have fixed this.

TOM
your money has been held through your dispute.
So everything is going to be ok.
Please send back the cue and move on.

Everyone who knows me through az or Mr.cues
Knows I'm stand up. I'm sorry over this miscommunication

Everyone with a clear mind also know that when a problem occurs
The first thing you do is contact seller regardless of what analogies
You choose to use.
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Send the cue back and move on? Really? So I'm supposed to be happy because you tied up my money and it will COST me more to send the cue back because you didn't describe it properly?

Maybe you missed it but I offered to send you the shaft that was supposed to be in "excellent shape" back if you refund me $125. I figure that is what I could have sold the shaft for. That was my plan all along. I don't play with Predators and I had planned on selling the shaft and having a standard one made to go with this butt.
 
I would gladly send you the $125 to resolve this but there is a hold on your money now in paypal. Withdraw dispute and ill refund you and you and don't even send me the shaft.
 
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