Pro one/CTE is hard

One thing you won't do is let a moderator decide. You clearly did a spin job on the bet and I ask you very nicely to correct it and you have refused to do so...

Stan Shuffett

This was all about the same visauls and line ups on the 2 shots awhile back rite.?

There is a difference between 20 something degree's and 30 something wouldnt you say.:smile: Apperently not :rolleyes:

Your not suppose to do the same thing on the same placement of balls and come up with 2 different angle are you?We need know one to decide for us because its obvious you cant....wait you can.:D

As far as im concerned you lost but I will be nice and donate it back to you cause your such a Great guy.
I have somehing maybe to discuss about the curtain thing....give me a little time to get back with you.
 
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I'll tell you what an eye opener is. Trying this blind curtain shooting yourself. I didn't have a curtain so I propped up a flat sheet of cardboard across the side pockets so balls barely rolled underneath, giving me zero visibility to the other half of the table. Here is what I discovered.

This is HARD to do, and this is specifically a 9' table. I don't have anything else to try it on. If you are a ghostball aimer, I don't see how this could even be possible, as there is nothing to line up your contact point to! You would have to put in some crazy practice to accomplish the feat Stan did. I'd like to see that on video.

Concerning CTE PRO ONE, shooting with a curtain also exposes any type of weakness you may have with the system, such as imprecise or improper execution tied to "steering" the shot to make it go in. That will NOT work when the pockets are blind. The ONLY way it will work consistently is to use the system 100% correctly. So for a positive note, blinding the pockets will immediately expose any flaws you may have. It forces you to be true to yourself. I highly recommend it :)

For me, this immediately exposed how much I use the entire table to determine what aiming lines and pivot to use. This isn't a bad thing mind you, as you always have the whole table in a real game situation. However with half the table gone, you have to devise other ways of finding them. With practice it becomes easier. Then, so long as you use the proper aiming lines and pivot, and you line up everything perfectly, you hear the satisfying sound of the ball hitting the back of the pocket.

After an hour so of messing with it I still can't do 15 balls in a row, maybe half a dozen or so. This is mixing up the shots pseudo randomly. I tried one and two rail banks too, they work just fine, just pick the right aim lines and line it up good ;)
 
Here is my attempt to decipher what this guy is talking about. He cannot compute/understand a right sweep since the left sweep feels more of a natural movement to the cue ball. I am guessing he relates anything with a right pivot can only be made with feel/adjustments...my guess :)

This is the thread that has caused some confusion for me.Some where calling it the same and its not even close.http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=310736

If anyone had it rite it was mohrt

Also how do you come up with its close to bordering the other visual?Its either a,b or c for center pocket I thought.
 
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I remember awhile back, 8pack was asking me to teach him CTE/ProOne and now he seems to know the system (it's apparent "limitations") better then most. Interesting, it looks like 8pack is playing a few different angles.
 
The truth is just a select few can get it to work.;)
You are the main guy that will owe me an apology for calling me a spin Doctor:smile:
What does a spin doctor actually do.Spin things.

Anthony.

Select few is a major understatement.
 
Ive put in more hours then any of you.:wink: Your taking me as a idot.;)
Ive always liked knowing and not guessing.

If I ever put a video together explaining some thing to you all, you would change your tune.

Anthony

Reading your posts says you don't understand pro-one enough to make a video on it.
 
I remember awhile back, 8pack was asking me to teach him CTE/ProOne and now he seems to know the system (it's apparent "limitations") better then most. Interesting, it looks like 8pack is playing a few different angles.

I ask a lot of people,this was all before the dvd came out to.
Just trying to figure out if he was doing the same and now I know.

Anthony
 
Well mohrt meant to say "C" in that answer and made a typo. What I do is use the half ball mark as my transition point for an inside A or C sweep to a B alignment. The transition point from a B alignment to edge to A or C will be quater ball. I understand the system enough that I can stretch one alignment into another if I feel like it.

I have not tried the shots at a table or looked at them at a table. My opinion is they are not made with the same alignment but I can make them with the same alignment if I wanted to. I have no real set rules using the system now, I know how it works and understand alignment,positioning,geometry and the connection with the table. I play the game mostly for fun.

To get to the highest level of understanding pro1, it may take some players a couple years and maybe more of shooting it 100% of the time...my opinion.


I agree.

Anthony
 
I agree.

Anthony

I don't remember the outcome of that thread I created.

Maybe my example wasn't great at that time. However, that does not disprove the fact that there are multiple shots out there (with different angles) that can be made using the same visual and sweep.

In fact, I believe some have been posted in this thread.
 
I don't remember the outcome of that thread I created.

Maybe my example wasn't great at that time. However, that does not disprove the fact that there are multiple shots out there (with different angles) that can be made using the same visual and sweep.

In fact, I believe some have been posted in this thread.

Most all of you think your always rite and Stan backs your claims.
You guys think it just fine to knock me or anyone else who calls you out and we need not look past your thread,this sh!t happens often here.
Most take me for an Idot which is fine with me cause thats just the type of people you are.

Sorry Ive caused such a stir ,its easy to get sucked into these threads.

PS.. the only thing Stan's really helping you out with is he's given you a PSR and made you spend more time at the table practicing.Thats a good thing and good luck.

Anthony
 
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Most all of you think your always rite and Stans backs your claims.
You guys think it just fine to knock me or anyone else who calls you out and we need not look past your thread,this sh!t happens often here.
Most take me for an Idot which is fine with me cause thats just the type of people you are.

Sorry Ive caused such a stir ,its easy to get sucked into these threads.

PS.. the only thing Stan's really helping you out with is he's given you a PSR and made you spend more time at the table practicing.Thats a good thing and good luck.

Anthony

You're far from an idiot, Anthony. Ignorant? Yes.

You have yet to provide any facts to back up any of your claims.

I'm still waiting for you to post a shot that can't be made with Pro One.
 
That aiming system so hard that I'm clueless after I got my 2 lines fix on edges and then pivot to center........well damn I miss. I try again with different line aim......again I miss. So Idk what it is but my stance and stroke are straight as hell as I've been playing for 21 yrs. I am a rank 9 and 7 in pool league. I got my way of aiming kind how shane vanboening aim but his more additional on the shaft but I am alway open to learn new aiming system but I cannot get this aiming down and it been a year trying so I gave up and stick with way I aim. It so hard and been trying but again I gave up.[/QUOTE]

Are you better off now with the information given to your thread?
 
You guys think it just fine to knock me or anyone else who calls you out and we need not look past your thread,this sh!t happens often here.

What stimulus is making you feel the need to "call us out"? I don't believe any CTE/Pro One advocates are coming to your threads attempting to shove the system down your throat. Yet for some weird reason, you seem to feel obligated to post negative comments about the system without offering any substantiated evidence as support.



Most take me for an Idot which is fine with me cause thats just the type of people you are.

You do a fantastic job of acting like an idiot even though you apparently can't even spell the word correctly.

Sorry Ive caused such a stir ,its easy to get sucked into these threads.

Why is it easy for you to get sucked into these threads? You obviously have nothing whatsoever to contribute. Why don't you just STFU?

PS.. the only thing Stan's really helping you out with is he's given you a PSR and made you spend more time at the table practicing.Thats a good thing and good luck.

While I know that isn't true,that's substantially more than you have to offer dude.

Anthony

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That aiming system so hard that I'm clueless after I got my 2 lines fix on edges and then pivot to center........well damn I miss. I try again with different line aim......again I miss. So Idk what it is but my stance and stroke are straight as hell as I've been playing for 21 yrs. I am a rank 9 and 7 in pool league. I got my way of aiming kind how shane vanboening aim but his more additional on the shaft but I am alway open to learn new aiming system but I cannot get this aiming down and it been a year trying so I gave up and stick with way I aim. It so hard and been trying but again I gave up.[/QUOTE]

Are you better off now with the information given to your thread?

A little trolling.....nice!

Stan Shuffett
 
Just keeping the thread alive for the benefit of those that have a need.

Another CTE debate. Surprise surprise.
Any form of debate good or bad is good publicity.
Looking forward to DVD2.
I think Stan may have also benefited from the discussions on this board as to different ways to present and demonstrate his Pro one.
Keep on debating :smile:
Cheers.

True...that.
 
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