PRO ONE CTE Video Illustrations

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I just got Stans DVD Pro One four days ago,

I have put in about three hours at the table, with some success and find this concept very exciting. I am amazed that by reversing the pivot you can go from a cut to a bank.

Some of the easiest banks I have ever made, and I didn't even look at the rail for a point of aim.

I've watched the Pro One DVD for the second time, and I find what confuses me is the Illustrations are not from the players perspective. You have to reverse each example that you see on the screen. This may be part of the problem, beginners of Pro One are having. At least, I know, it confuses me.

I imagine that it may be technicaly difficult to photograph from the players prospective.

If you can't display the shooters perspective, perhaps at least you could display a direct over top of the table view oriented from the players side of the table.

Anybody else have that experience?:)
 
Stan's Pro One dvd 1 is of very high quality throughout.
The roation of the diagrams were anoying as you have to really think about them sometimes.
As I understand it, DVD 2 will be out shortly and Stan has refined how to present Pro One to the viewer.
It shall be worth the wait.
 
What would be interesting is for a good CTE/Pro1 player to wear a head cam.

That way we would see what they are seeing. Might solve a lot of issues that some are having.

Like many, still waiting on Stan's new DVD. :)

John
 
I am still unsure of the final run-time for DVD2 but I am thinking it will be 2 1/2 up to 3 hrs.

The key chapters for learning CTE PRO ONE will having sufficient viewing from the rear perspective.

Stan Shuffett
 
One Pocket John said:
What would be interesting is for a good CTE/Pro1 player to wear a head cam.

That way we would see what they are seeing. Might solve a lot of issues that some are having.

Like many, still waiting on Stan's new DVD. :)

John
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Agree here John.
i personally have the opinion, that these *head cams* are *critical*. But if you would see headcams from 2-3 players-that would be great. So some would *understand* that the visuals have different positions for different players.
Imo it will be difficult to show a *clear* picture. You cannot show with a camera, what the brain/eye-computer does :-)

i am VERY curious about the next dvd. looking forward to it.
lg
Ingo
 
Cant wait to try Pro One, waiting for the new DVD. Never seen the first one but looks like it will help some areas of my game that need attention.

Any ideas of a release date Stan?

Thanks for the update!
 
icucybe said:
Cant wait to try Pro One, waiting for the new DVD. Never seen the first one but looks like it will help some areas of my game that need attention.

Any ideas of a release date Stan?

Thanks for the update!
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DVD2 is in its final stages. BUT, as it has been all along I am going back and forth with my editor who is in Chicago. (He has many projects besides mine. I have put zero pressure on his team for a time schedule and that has been from the get-go)

Hopefully, DVD2 can be released in weeks NOT months.

Thank you for your interest!!

Stan Shuffett
 
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Had a good session this morning.

I started out missing every shot I tried, that lasted for about 20 minutes.

I just stood behind the CB wondering what I was doing wrong, I couldn't miss all the shots I tried if I was doing everything corrrectly, or could I ???

I was lining up properly, going down to the shooting position by moving my CUE to the offset position for a pivot, and then pivoting and shooting. I was missing everything, I mean every shot.

I made a very simple change and every ball dropped in center pocket.

The change I made, was move my bridge hand down to the table in the offset pivot position and then bring the CUE down to the bridge, pivot 1/4 to 1/2 tip and shoot. Every shot went into the center pocket.

Still having trouble with banks, will work on that tomorrow.

Go Steelers!!
 
stan shuffett said:
DVD2 is in its final stages. BUT, as it has been all along I am going back and forth with my editor who is in Chicago. (He has many projects besides mine. I have put zero pressure on his team for a time schedule and that has been from the get-go)

Hopefully, DVD2 can be released in weeks NOT months.

Thank you for your interest!!

Stan Shuffett
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Wow weeks? I am getting more excited. Put me down on the waiting list on the first batch!
 
I think watching a headcam video of someone using Pro1, SEE or 90/90 might be interesting, but I'm pretty sure it would not convey the same information the shooter is seeing.

The camera is going to give you a monocular view of the table, whereas your as eyes work in a binocular fashion.

1) Some players have a very, very strong dominant eye where they might favor locking into using that one eye to acquire their visuals as well as determine center CB. Others might be more balanced and use the center of their vision to acquire their visuals and the center of the CB. Others might use one eye for one direction and the other eye for the other direction.

2) If you pair #1 with unique head positions over the cue that allows that specific player to "perceive" straightness, you'll find that if you have 10 pivot-aimers shooting the exact same shot, each having a head cam that's glued right to the center of their forehead, you'll find 10 different videos showing totally different things. Don't forget, every player's face will have a slightly different angle of attack towards the shot line, depending on their dominant eye and vision.

3) For manual pivoters, one's angle of their cue paired with their bridge length paired with how they arc to center affects their visual.

I think doing POV videos with pool in general is fascinating and it's a novel concept. I think we can learn a lot from these types of videos that includes:

- Learning how the player goes from the standing position to the set position at the CB (this is HUGE, imo)

- Learning a player's practice stroke cadence and watch closely how they cue the CB

- View subtleties in how they pocket -- do they follow-through straight? Do they swoop the CB?

- Watch where they hit on the CB exactly -- how they apply english? If they're not a swoop into the CB face purposefully, are they hitting where they intend? Based on that, did the shot go?

- Watching their head move around the table, we're given a clue as to what they're looking at and how they're thinking. It gives us a glance at what's going on in their mind... when they're concerned and when they're not.

All of the above are really strong educational tools - we can learn a TON from these. I know there are players out there who are dying to see POV videos of successful pivot-aimers, but there's NO WAY it would provide the information the viewer is looking for. Just something as simple as where the camera is mounted exactly would distort the viewer's perception of what the player is sighting.

Human vision and perception cannot be simulated accurately with a camera.
 
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Hey Spider,

What if you had camera directly above the bridge and slightly down the Cue line toward the shooter. The view may not be perfect, but it would be better than what the DVD has now.

Also the graphics showing the CTEL and the CE to A, B, or C could certainly be shown from the shooters point of view without any difficulty.

Go Steelers!
 
You can tell with the headcam that he has a very straight stroke...useful tool for instructors to use with their students.
 
Primo said:
In my opinion which doesn't mean much other then to myself. pro1 is closer to snooker than it is pool. I just thought I would post this because I think its interesting. I decided to stay out of the cte/pro1 discussions to avoid any further BS I had to deal with in the past.

here is pro1 with a head cam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlMxPngOYos
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That Nic Barrow snooker-with-headcam video was discussed about 10 weeks ago in this thread: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=321114
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I think watching a headcam video of someone using Pro1, SEE or 90/90 might be interesting, but I'm pretty sure it would not convey the same information the shooter is seeing.

The camera is going to give you a monocular view of the table, whereas your as eyes work in a binocular fashion.

1) Some players have a very, very strong dominant eye where they might favor locking into using that one eye to acquire their visuals as well as determine center CB. Others might be more balanced and use the center of their vision to acquire their visuals and the center of the CB. Others might use one eye for one direction and the other eye for the other direction.

2) If you pair #1 with unique head positions over the cue that allows that specific player to "perceive" straightness, you'll find that if you have 10 pivot-aimers shooting the exact same shot, each having a head cam that's glued right to the center of their forehead, you'll find 10 different videos showing totally different things. Don't forget, every player's face will have a slightly different angle of attack towards the shot line, depending on their dominant eye and vision.

3) For manual pivoters, one's angle of their cue paired with their bridge length paired with how they arc to center affects their visual.

I think doing POV videos with pool in general is fascinating and it's a novel concept. I think we can learn a lot from these types of videos that includes:

- Learning how the player goes from the standing position to the set position at the CB (this is HUGE, imo)

- Learning a player's practice stroke cadence and watch closely how they cue the CB

- View subtleties in how they pocket -- do they follow-through straight? Do they swoop the CB?

- Watch where they hit on the CB exactly -- how they apply english? If they're not a swoop into the CB face purposefully, are they hitting where they intend? Based on that, did the shot go?

- Watching their head move around the table, we're given a clue as to what they're looking at and how they're thinking. It gives us a glance at what's going on in their mind... when they're concerned and when they're not.

All of the above are really strong educational tools - we can learn a TON from these. I know there are players out there who are dying to see POV videos of successful pivot-aimers, but there's NO WAY it would provide the information the viewer is looking for. Just something as simple as where the camera is mounted exactly would distort the viewer's perception of what the player is sighting.

Human vision and perception cannot be simulated accurately with a camera.
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Hi Dave my friend,

100 % agreement with you!
Thx god you posted it :p If i would have tried to write it, it would have ended in a *language disaster*. lol!

Everyones perception is different-- and to detect and to observe the things you described *needs* a very *trained* eye and much expirience and knowledge.


lg from overseas,

Ingo
 
Ratta said:
Hi Dave my friend,

100 % agreement with you!
Thx god you posted it :p If i would have tried to write it, it would have ended in a *language disaster*. lol!

Everyones perception is different-- and to detect and to observe the things you described *needs* a very *trained* eye and much expirience and knowledge.


lg from overseas,

Ingo
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I agree with Dave's post as well. A camera will not function as our eyes do.

As far as everyone's perception is different. Research clearly shows that there are visual rules for how we see and we all use the same rules. Yes, our visual dominance profile can vary from person to person but that does not mean that the results of what we perceive are different. We all construct the images that we perceive in the same manner.

Stan Shuffett
 
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Primo said:
it so very,very,very important to eliminate steering when using pro1....its a must!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tdn2ZJK7_g
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Well to me this is because when you are ON the right shot line then it's very easy to force the cue ball OFF the shot line. This is where ProOne/CTE forces you to work on your stroke and realize that a lot of shots you previously were making were because you were not on the right shot line and you were throwing the ball into the pocket.
 
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