pro players & backhand english..........

[Bob Jewett]

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1/2 tip of swooping english gives me about the same spin as 2 tips of parrallel english. also. swooping english throws the object ball more. ...

I believe this is because you aren't hitting as far off center as you think you are. I'd be willing to bet that you have to hit just as far off-center with aim-and-swoop as you do with a straight stroke to achieve a given amount of spin.

The champion spinners I know come straight through.

 

[drivermaker]

I believe this is because you aren't hitting as far off center as you think you are. I'd be willing to bet that you have to hit just as far off-center with aim-and-swoop as you do with a straight stroke to achieve a given amount of spin.

The champion spinners I know come straight through.

Bob says, "The champion spinners I know come straight through".
Is that right?

Can you please address my post to you about how you apply tuck and roll?
Read it through as I have it in my post.

 

[recoveryjones]

Oh hell Jonesy...what fun is that? Which movie did greater at the box office and had super reviews compared to the other one...Sex, Lies, and Vidoetapes...or...True Confessions?
I don't know what the hell that has to do with any of this, but it sure sounded good as I was making it up.

True enough DM, Joney's need to stop being so hard on himself.

Having said that, if I was wrong about Jeanette using BACKHAND english, I give her permission to personally give me a BACKHAND. Beat me Jeanette, I think I'd love it. RJ

 

[Williebetmore]

My appologies. RJ

RJ,
No apology necessary. What I related was her advice to a student. She didn't specifically say that she didn't use it. Perhaps it was just appropriate for that particular student (though I am doubtful - her husband also espouses only parallel English, and he plays VERY sporty). I think that most pro's do use backhand English for the slow rolling, radical back cuts - but of course who really knows?

I think that parallel is easier to develop, since you don't have to have dramatically different strokes for different shots. If the ball goes in, and whitey goes where you want it, who really cares how it gets there. I am sure players can learn to do it either way. I also believe that it is VERY difficult to watch a player and tell which kind he is using. Due to parallax, any observer whose eyes are not exactly in line with the shooter's cue will not be accurate in his estimate of where exactly the shooter is striking the cue ball.

 

[Billy_Bob]

...How do you find the pivot point for your personal cue?Is there a test or formula? RJ
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On page 10 of...

http://www.sfbilliards.com/Shepard_squirt.pdf

See "Squirt Measurements:", then skip to next paragraph beginning with "An alternative experiment...". Also look at diagram on page 11.

Since both balls need to be lined up *exactly*, it may be easier to place them next to a rail and use another ball to get the two balls exactly one ball distance from the rail.

Then mark the line where your cue needs to be lined up to get a dead center hit so you can line up exactly dead center each time before pivoting. You almost need to be a machine to do this.

Now what I do is to aim just the cue ball at the far center diamond with a dead center hit. Try several shots to see where the ball goes each time with a dead center hit. Then try pivoting (with back hand) about 10 inches back from the tip. then try 5 inches back. Then try 15 inches back. When you find the pivot point, the cue ball will hit the closest to a dead center hit. Using a pivot point further away in either direction will make the cue ball hit further away from a dead center hit.

I don't know if this is a "scientific" actual pivot point or not? But so far as I am concerned... If I can place my bridge hand a certain distance back, aim dead center then move my back hand to adjust for english, and have the cue ball go to the about the same spot as a dead center hit, then that works for me!

(Also try parallel english shots to see where the cue ball goes.)

Pivot distances for some cue sticks are listed here...
http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php