AzB Silver Member
So what is the difference between pro player's dominating amateur (State/regional tournaments) and trans men crushing women's sports? Curious...
Great.So no. If a player (example) qualified once a year by having above 725 Fargo they would be a pro (one calendar year)
Oh, but it is.
Show me. I went to the Action Pool Tour web site and could find NO reference to the tournament, nor any of their tournaments, being amateur. Further, I found no eligibility requirement whatsoever regarding amateur versus professional status.
That is the truth! Plain and simple.To comment on the OP, there is a similarity in a pro playing in an event with no or not many pros and a trans woman playing in a womans sport. Both already have an advantage over the field. Unless there are rules for such players to not play, then they will continue to have an advantage and continue to dominate lesser fields.
That is the truth! Plain and simple.
And you will soon seeShow me. I went to the Action Pool Tour web site and could find NO reference to the tournament, nor any of their tournaments, being amateur. Further, I found no eligibility requirement whatsoever regarding amateur versus professional status.
There is 0 entitlement to a win.
We earn them and it is war.
I actually just like to discuss the parallels between the two. Not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.The OP conflates two wildly different issues, I'll assume in an attempt to be provocative. There is probably a more suitable forum for the debate about trans rights/trans participation in sports.
As for the pool-related question; I believe this event was an "open" and therefore it was appropriate for a professional player to enter.*
Perhaps a post that suggests what rules should be in place to guide which events pro players should and should not enter would be a place to start a debate? Such as, they can enter "opens" but they cannot enter "amateurs"? But that also begs the question; when has a player officially crossed a line that definitively, irrefutably makes them a card-carry professional who would not be eligible for the non-pro events?
*Edit: I could be wrong here. There was an Open event running concurrent to the event in question. I'd like to read any materials that were published before the event to get a sense of the intent, and I would like to know how many players were in-state/out-of-state, and whether there were other professional players.
To comment on the OP, there is a similarity in a pro playing in an event with no or not many pros and a trans woman playing in a womans sport. Both already have an advantage over the field. Unless there are rules for such players to not play, then they will continue to have an advantage and continue to dominate lesser fields.
No, it's not! You can't just decide that a tournament is restricted to amateurs on your own, in your own mind, and then disparage the winners and the tournament organizers when the results don't match your notions.That is the truth! Plain and simple.
There is a difference, a pro is there by skill only, a man playing as a woman in many sports has a physical advantage in addition to skill. A man playing chess or Monopoly in a women's tournament has no advantage outside of skill, and there is little advantage of one in pool.
Any woman can train and have the potential to be as good as a pro woman pool player, but a female baskeball player, even those with a lot of male attributes, will not be able to handle a male baskeball player even if that male baskeball player likes to put ribbons in their hair and wear heels, especially at the lower levels of skill.
?WTF are you talking about? Where's the link to a page ont eh APT site that says anything about this tournament being for amateurs???
Yea, I read that, where does he say that it was an amateur tournament???
That doesn't apply to many sports though.The commonly accepted definition of "amateur" in sports is one who doesn't compete for remuneration. No money.
am·a·teur(ăm′ə-tûr′, -tər, -cho͝or′, -chər, -tyo͝or′)
2. Sports An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.
By this standard, anyone entering a tournament for which there is a cash prize, unless it falls within the restrictions specified by a regulatory body, forfeits their amateur status!
This was a money tournament.