Pro pool player's vs transgender athlete's
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DieselPete
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Great.
I think some responses would be that players would try to stay just below 725 (sandbag) so they can play as many events as possible (amateurs and opens), but if we learn from the world of golf, the opposite might be true. Golfers need a certain handicap to play in U.S. Open qualifiers. A few years back the USGA lowered the handicap to decrease the number of players who would qualify. The opposite happened. The number of low handicappers went UP! It seemed that if people wanted to play in the U.S. Open qualifying they would gin down their handicap a little more as opposed to being left out. I think that players who are close to 725 would fight to get over that mark to proudly wear the label of "pro."
(But I could be wrong!)
So was there a skill limit? I would think the ones that determine who can play are the people running the tournament. If they let high skill levels play and people from outside the area then those are the rules for that tournament.
I don't think I have seen a "state" championship be actually limited to players only from that state. My son and I played in the NJ state events a few times no-one ever checked our IDs and I know that the person running it knew we were not from the state. I do agree that a "state" championship should be limited to the residents of that state and an "Amateur State Championship" should be open to those under a certain skill level from that state. Any other event should be just called The X State Open or something.
Until they set those up as the rules though, if it's a State Championship but there are no restrictions, no foul if anyone plays in it.
This is from the Tour that ran that event, and they specify that professionals are not barred from playing.
- Are Action Pool Tour matches handicapped? No. We firmly believe that handicapping matches does not advance the game. Allowing someone to win a match that they could not win evenly is ultimately not in the best interest of the winner or the loser. We believe that lower-skilled players genuinely want to test their ability against better players and increase their own abilities over time. We firmly believe that the person who plays the best in a given match should win. However, we also recognize that the highly-skilled players (particularly professionals) have a much better chance of winning an event. Therefore, they are required to "have more skin in the game" by paying a significantly higher entry fee."
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Show me. I went to the Action Pool Tour web site and could find NO reference to the tournament, nor any of their tournaments, being amateur. Further, I found no eligibility requirement whatsoever regarding amateur versus professional status.
To comment on the OP, there is a similarity in a pro playing in an event with no or not many pros and a trans woman playing in a womans sport. Both already have an advantage over the field. Unless there are rules for such players to not play, then they will continue to have an advantage and continue to dominate lesser fields.
And you will soon see
I actually just like to discuss the parallels between the two. Not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.
There is a difference, a pro is there by skill only, a man playing as a woman in many sports has a physical advantage in addition to skill. A man playing chess or Monopoly in a women's tournament has no advantage outside of skill, and there is little advantage of one in pool.
Any woman can train and have the potential to be as good as a pro woman pool player, but a female baskeball player, even those with a lot of male attributes, will not be able to handle a male baskeball player even if that male baskeball player likes to put ribbons in their hair and wear heels, especially at the lower levels of skill.
No, it's not! You can't just decide that a tournament is restricted to amateurs on your own, in your own mind, and then disparage the winners and the tournament organizers when the results don't match your notions.
Whether a tournament is for amateurs is provable. So,put up or shut up!
It's simple, just show me. I can't find it.
See above...that poster was able to find it?
The word "amateur" appears only once in the entire APT website, in a news article referencing the Super Billiards Expo's Amateur Championship. That's it.
WTF are you talking about? Where's the link to a page ont eh APT site that says anything about this tournament being for amateurs???
Yeah there is a difference on why they are better. However the OP is correct in the comparison. In both examples, you have a player(s) having a decided advantage over the field, for whatever reason.
The commonly accepted definition of "amateur" in sports is one who doesn't compete for remuneration. No money.
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2. Sports An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.
By this standard, anyone entering a tournament for which there is a cash prize, unless it falls within the restrictions specified by a regulatory body, forfeits their amateur status!
This was a money tournament.
am·a·teur
(ăm′ə-tûr′, -tər, -cho͝or′, -chər, -tyo͝or′)n.
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2. Sports An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.
By this standard, anyone entering a tournament for which there is a cash prize, unless it falls within the restrictions specified by a regulatory body, forfeits their amateur status!
This was a money tournament.
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Pro pool player's vs transgender athlete's
So what is the difference between pro player's dominating amateur (State/regional tournaments) and trans men crushing women's sports? Curious...
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Pro should be considered at least 750.
State tournaments usually always have at least a few "pro" players, think Texas.
Transgender in women's only events usually have rules like the (wpba?) or whatever the womans organization is called.
State tournaments usually always have at least a few "pro" players, think Texas.
Transgender in women's only events usually have rules like the (wpba?) or whatever the womans organization is called.
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Yea, I read that, where does he say that it was an amateur tournament???
That doesn't apply to many sports though.
Pool pays cash- as does bike racing- to folks who have 0 chance to compete against the top 10,000+ performers in the given sports.