problem with a shot, help?

[scottycoyote]

i dont know how to use the wei table......so let me describe the shot. Object ball near the long rail near the side pocket, say about the 3rd diamond. The cue ball is maybe 2 or 3 diamonds away, its a straight in shot into the corner pocket. Ok im want to put left bottom on this shot, draw the cue to the rail and have the english bite and the cueball run over to the other side of the table. But every time i try to shoot a shot like this, the cueball will draw back a little and its just got a ton of side spin on it but its not going anywhere much, just spinning. How do i get the ball to draw and take the side spin?

 

[jhendri2]

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Is his the shot you're talking about?

Jim

 

[RSB-Refugee]

Is his the shot you're talking about?

Jim[/QUOTE]
Here's a jpeg of the shot diagramed by Jim.

Tracy

 

[RSB-Refugee]

Is his the shot you're talking about?

Jim

Here's a jpeg of the shot diagramed by Jim.

Tracy[/QUOTE]
If the diagram is correct, I think you are asking to much of the english. You may have better luck hitting it rail first with draw.

Tracy

 

[jhendri2]

Here's a jpeg of the shot diagramed by Jim.

Tracy

If the diagram is correct, I think you are asking to much of the english. You may have better luck hitting it rail first with draw.

Tracy[/QUOTE]


That was my thinking. I can't make that shot. I can draw straight back and the english catch off the end rail go halfway to the other side pocket. That is the absolute maximum of my stroke though. It's hard to do anything when you're dead straight.

Jim

 

[Rod]

But every time i try to shoot a shot like this, the cueball will draw back a little and its just got a ton of side spin on it but its not going anywhere much, just spinning. How do i get the ball to draw and take the side spin?

Your hitting it with left but no low. The simple answer is more low. Your hitting it closer to 9 oclock, it should be in the range of 7:30. Which means your not aiming the cue tip there or your not hitting where you aim.

Similar to this?

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I forgot how to put in a picture instead of wei code.

Rod

 

[Andrew Manning]

i dont know how to use the wei table......so let me describe the shot. Object ball near the long rail near the side pocket, say about the 3rd diamond. The cue ball is maybe 2 or 3 diamonds away, its a straight in shot into the corner pocket. Ok im want to put left bottom on this shot, draw the cue to the rail and have the english bite and the cueball run over to the other side of the table. But every time i try to shoot a shot like this, the cueball will draw back a little and its just got a ton of side spin on it but its not going anywhere much, just spinning. How do i get the ball to draw and take the side spin?

I think the problem here is that you're expecting the left spin to pull the cue ball into the rail off a straight shot. If the shot is truly straight, and you don't cheat the pocket or masse or anything funky, the cueball only has two directions it can go; straight forward and straight back.

I have seen the shot played like this, though: If the rail is to the right of the shot (from the shooters perspective), aim slightly left of the object ball with low right english and a slightly (maybe 15-20 degrees) elevated cue. The cue ball will start out going left of the contact point, but the right spin and elevated cue will curve it back to the right, so it really ends up approaching the object ball as if it was an angled shot.

If you do it that way, you can get the cue ball to draw into the rail, and spin back off the rail, just like you seem to be expecting it to work in your description, but it becomes very unlikely that you'll make the shot, since the curve involved is very difficult to control on a shot longer than a foot or two.

-Andrew

 

[Rod]

I'll try this again,

 

[scottycoyote]

yep the last diagram......thats the shot. I saw it in a book and for the life of me i cant duplicate it. Im hitting the shot plenty low and left.......but it just draws back slowly about a foot or two, spinning like crazy in place.

 

[iusedtoberich]

If you were to use just draw and no english, can you get the cue ball to travel the necessary distance? If you can't do it that way, then you probably need to work on your stroke.

 

[DUOBIS]

You are probably putting alot more side english than needed if the cue ball is spinning like crazy. 1/2 or 3/4 of a tip off of low centre ( not much at all )
and like IUSEDTOBERICH said, if your normal draw stroke is good you should be able to hit it good no trouble.

 

[jhendri2]

You're not using the most extreme english you can. As I said in my earlier post this takes a very strong stroke to accomplish. If the ball is just spinning you're not hitting low enough.

Jim

 

[scottycoyote]

well ill go back and work on it.....my draw and my stroke are decent, on a fast table i can draw the length of it and a couple of diamonds back the other way. Im hitting the ball at about 6oclock but super low, but the table i was trying it on was my parents old saunier wilhem and it could use new cloth, ill try it at the pool hall tonight.

 

[Rod]

yep the last diagram......thats the shot. I saw it in a book and for the life of me i cant duplicate it. Im hitting the shot plenty low and left.......but it just draws back slowly about a foot or two, spinning like crazy in place.

Well you think you're hitting it plenty low! LOL Where you aim your tip and where you're actually hitting are two different places. Can you easily draw this shot back with low only? If so, gradually add some left about 6:30 to 7:00 oclock english.

Here is the same thing only close up. Start out a little closer. This shot actually comes up quite a bit when someone gets straight in and needs to go down table. Not that I would know. LOL

Rod

 

[Colin Colenso]

You're hitting the CB too high.

You don't need to hit very far off center to get the side english you need.

On a fast table you should be able to draw up and down the table from here without jumping out of your shoes.

On my heavy nap table I can play that shot as diagramed by Rod pretty consistantly.

 

[BAZARUS]

Well you think you're hitting it plenty low! LOL Where you aim your tip and where you're actually hitting are two different places. Can you easily draw this shot back with low only? If so, gradually add some left about 6:30 to 7:00 oclock english.

Here is the same thing only close up. Start out a little closer. This shot actually comes up quite a bit when someone gets straight in and needs to go down table. Not that I would know. LOL

Rod

This is a tricky shot. If the cue ball gets to much spin than you are hitting it to hard which cause a punch/forced stroke. Try instead and use a smooth stroke.

 

[pete lafond]

This is a tricky shot. If the cue ball gets to much spin than you are hitting it to hard which cause a punch/forced stroke. Try instead and use a smooth stroke.

Yes, also make sure you dig the CB into the cloth for action. Doing this means you do not need to stroke so hard.

Raise your back hand slightly, stroke smoothly and completly through the ball. You can feel the cue tip drive the CB into the cloth. The problem is that many players think they just need to lower the tip. What happens using this technique is that the CB sort of skids above the cloth instead of riding the cloth.

Not drawing correctly can result in miss-cue, inconsistent position play and difficulty drawing accurately with oversized or weight CB's.

Play the shot smooth with low left using proper draw technique and you'll have it in no time.

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