Problems with Predator Ferrals anyone?

5aheadforpinks

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I play and brake with my Predator cue (4K1) and have noticed that my ferral wears down in a cone shape pattern. This is from breaking... the friction from the felt after I follow through actually melts the ferral. This has happened on two of their standard ferrals, they are made of real soft meterial I was told.
My real question is... what kind of ferral should I replace them with and still break with, and how will it effect my hit on the CB?
 
5aheadforpinks said:
I play and brake with my Predator cue (4K1) and have noticed that my ferral wears down in a cone shape pattern. This is from breaking... the friction from the felt after I follow through actually melts the ferral. This has happened on two of their standard ferrals, they are made of real soft meterial I was told.
My real question is... what kind of ferral should I replace them with and still break with, and how will it effect my hit on the CB?



I have always heard that to properly replace the ferrule, the shaft needs to be sent to Predator.
 
Send it back to Predator. They'll replace it with the same thin-walled soft capped ferrule they have.
Don't break with it b/c it's a very soft ferrule.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Send it back to Predator. They'll replace it with the same thin-walled soft capped ferrule they have.
Don't break with it b/c it's a very soft ferrule.

What kind of ferrule is on the Predator BK?!
 
Ill call them...

Thanks.... I know someone who has replaced one, but hes just some idiot from a bar, eventhough it turned out ok, I dont trust the guy as far as I could throw him. I also know someone who has an ivory one on their predator, stiffer hit I thought, could have just been the different sound it made though. Im just going to start complaining loudly to Predator until they fix my shafts... IM A PAYING CUSTOMER! YOU HAVE A WARRANTY FOR DEFECTS! (Truely a defect imo).
 
i have a pred cue and a ped breakstick, i put a fenolic tip on and ferrule im pumping it with a mucci but and its awsome!
 
I can NOT understand how you can say it's a DEFECT after you said it became damaged (worn) from the way you break.

Troy...~~~ NOT associated with Predator.
5aheadforpinks said:
Thanks.... I know someone who has replaced one, but hes just some idiot from a bar, eventhough it turned out ok, I dont trust the guy as far as I could throw him. I also know someone who has an ivory one on their predator, stiffer hit I thought, could have just been the different sound it made though. Im just going to start complaining loudly to Predator until they fix my shafts... IM A PAYING CUSTOMER! YOU HAVE A WARRANTY FOR DEFECTS! (Truely a defect imo).
 
I think you should go out and get a real shaft. They worked for the best pool players who ever lived! You also might think about picking up a break cue.
Purdman :D
 
toss the predator in the trash.

Donald A. Purdy said:
I think you should go out and get a real shaft. They worked for the best pool players who ever lived! You also might think about picking up a break cue.
Purdman :D[/QUOT

i agree with purdman, all the legends and all those tourney wins, all 1 piece shafts, hell strickland drives em home with a cuetech, get a break cue with a phonelic tip on it, and stop wprrying about the ferrule.
 
Yeah, Predators are junk. That is why all of these players use Predator without being paid:

Alex Pagulayan
Antonio Lining
Antonio Gabica
Anthony Crosby
Bob Chaperon
Charlie Williams
Claude Bernatchez
Cliff Thorburn
Christian Reimering
Danny Harriman
Dany Hewitt
Dennis Orcollo
Evan Broxmeyer
Evgeny Stalev
Frankie Hernandez
Gerda Hofstatter
George SanSouci
Grady Mathews
Jasmin Ouschan
Jennifer Barretta
J.R. Calvert
Jayme Goodwin
Jimmy Wetch
Jennifer Chen
Joe Tucker
Jose Garcia
John Horsfall
Liz Schwartzreich
Karen Corr
Keith McCready
Luc Salvas
Max Eberle
Melissa Herndon
Ming Ng
Rafael Martinez
Ramil Gallego
Robby Foldvari
Rodolfo Luat
Ronnie Wiseman
Tang Hoa
Tom Rossman
Troy Frank
Warren Kiamco
Santos Sambajon
Tony Robles
 
Cue of Fury said:
Yeah, Predators are junk. That is why all of these players use Predator without being paid:

Alex Pagulayan
Antonio Lining
Antonio Gabica
Anthony Crosby
Bob Chaperon
Charlie Williams
Claude Bernatchez
Cliff Thorburn
Christian Reimering
Danny Harriman
Dany Hewitt
Dennis Orcollo
Evan Broxmeyer
Evgeny Stalev
Frankie Hernandez
Gerda Hofstatter
George SanSouci
Grady Mathews
Jasmin Ouschan
Jennifer Barretta
J.R. Calvert
Jayme Goodwin
Jimmy Wetch
Jennifer Chen
Joe Tucker
Jose Garcia
John Horsfall
Liz Schwartzreich
Karen Corr
Keith McCready
Luc Salvas
Max Eberle
Melissa Herndon
Ming Ng
Rafael Martinez
Ramil Gallego
Robby Foldvari
Rodolfo Luat
Ronnie Wiseman
Tang Hoa
Tom Rossman
Troy Frank
Warren Kiamco
Santos Sambajon
Tony Robles

Maybe, but name one player on that list who paid for their shafts! I won't argue the merits of Predator shafts, but I know of no entity in the history of billiards who spent more advertizing their product and gave as much of their product away to "player reps". And when I asked them why they didn't use an adhesive capable of withstanding more than 140 deg F, I was told it would be cost prohibitive! lol hmmm
I'd venture to say that they spent more advertizing their product, especially in the first few years, than they did producing it!
just more hot air!

Sherm
 
Cue of Fury said:
Sherm, you're just upset perhaps because their marketing hurts your business. ;)
Cory, It's not that at all! I'm a one man shop, custom cuemaker. Quite frankly, I've never considered that they could be hurting anyone's business, because I have trouble keeping up with all the work I have, as it is! But now that you bring it up, I guess that there are a lot of people who are hurt by their marketing. There's only so much expendable income to be divided up among the industry. When you have a product that "catches on" primarily due to marketing, and the product is IMHO, marketed with a retail price, twice it's value, it can have an adverse affect on the industry as a whole! But this something I've never considered until you brought it up.
My contention is based upon 25-30 years experience as a cuesmith and pool player. First off, I don't subscribe to the school of thought that the ultra low deflection shafts are necessary or even better! ALL shafts have some deflection that must be compensated for. This should be done in a subconscious manner. If you have to consciously make these adjustments, the shaft isn't going to help! Second, Pool players have been getting along fine for quite a while with solid shafts. Some of them could even run out! In this day of technology, it seems we are always looking for a gimmick to take the place of old fashioned practice! Meucci started with this line of BS back in the 80's when he used to claim his cues had ZERO DEFLECTION! His proof at the time was that David Howard and Jimmy Rempe could shoot the cueball exactly where they planned to! lol I think we all know that with a little adjustment, any of the top pro's, will adjust to about any cue, within reason! OK, it did take Earl about a year to get the hang of the cuetec, and Efren's game suffered when he tried to play with the Meucci. Earl overcame the hurdle and eventually got at least most of his game back, Efren decided it wasn't worth the effort and went back to what he was used to, because he gambled regularly and could not wait til his subconcious reprogrammed itself! Third and the main reason I dislike the Predator is from a cuesmith's standpoint. I know for a fact that the shaft wood I use is a much better grade and is much denser and harder than the wood used in the predator. I can easily tell this when I have to clean and remove the knicks from one! Often the segments seem to be of a different hardness also. I have seen many times where a dent will cross a glue joint and it is sort of deeper on one segment than the adjoining one. One must be very careful when removing dents fron the Predator shaft! As I mentioned before, the glue is only rated to 140 deg F. Steaming the dent out is not an option! Even burnishing the shaft will bring the temp way over 140 deg. This may cause problems later, even if they don't show up at the time of repair. The ferrules also suck, IMHO! My old partner Dickie, was cleaning one once and got it too hot. It sagged like a limp d**k! He pushed it back into place and held it til it cooled, and it sort of stayed that way! lol In short, I do not think that the trade off's in durability, reliability and inferior materials, are offset by slightly less deflection!

Nothing personal. I know lots of people who have bought in to the hype! It's just that I've been working on cues, too long, to believe they are an improvement! I'm off my soap box!

Just more hot air!

Sherm
 
cuesmith said:
Cory, It's not that at all! I'm a one man shop, custom cuemaker. Quite frankly, I've never considered that they could be hurting anyone's business, because I have trouble keeping up with all the work I have, as it is! But now that you bring it up, I guess that there are a lot of people who are hurt by their marketing. There's only so much expendable income to be divided up among the industry. When you have a product that "catches on" primarily due to marketing, and the product is IMHO, marketed with a retail price, twice it's value, it can have an adverse affect on the industry as a whole! But this something I've never considered until you brought it up.
My contention is based upon 25-30 years experience as a cuesmith and pool player. First off, I don't subscribe to the school of thought that the ultra low deflection shafts are necessary or even better! ALL shafts have some deflection that must be compensated for. This should be done in a subconscious manner. If you have to consciously make these adjustments, the shaft isn't going to help! Second, Pool players have been getting along fine for quite a while with solid shafts. Some of them could even run out! In this day of technology, it seems we are always looking for a gimmick to take the place of old fashioned practice! Meucci started with this line of BS back in the 80's when he used to claim his cues had ZERO DEFLECTION! His proof at the time was that David Howard and Jimmy Rempe could shoot the cueball exactly where they planned to! lol I think we all know that with a little adjustment, any of the top pro's, will adjust to about any cue, within reason! OK, it did take Earl about a year to get the hang of the cuetec, and Efren's game suffered when he tried to play with the Meucci. Earl overcame the hurdle and eventually got at least most of his game back, Efren decided it wasn't worth the effort and went back to what he was used to, because he gambled regularly and could not wait til his subconcious reprogrammed itself! Third and the main reason I dislike the Predator is from a cuesmith's standpoint. I know for a fact that the shaft wood I use is a much better grade and is much denser and harder than the wood used in the predator. I can easily tell this when I have to clean and remove the knicks from one! Often the segments seem to be of a different hardness also. I have seen many times where a dent will cross a glue joint and it is sort of deeper on one segment than the adjoining one. One must be very careful when removing dents fron the Predator shaft! As I mentioned before, the glue is only rated to 140 deg F. Steaming the dent out is not an option! Even burnishing the shaft will bring the temp way over 140 deg. This may cause problems later, even if they don't show up at the time of repair. The ferrules also suck, IMHO! My old partner Dickie, was cleaning one once and got it too hot. It sagged like a limp d**k! He pushed it back into place and held it til it cooled, and it sort of stayed that way! lol In short, I do not think that the trade off's in durability, reliability and inferior materials, are offset by slightly less deflection!

Nothing personal. I know lots of people who have bought in to the hype! It's just that I've been working on cues, too long, to believe they are an improvement! I'm off my soap box!

Just more hot air!

Sherm
Tap Tap Tap, well said Sherm.
 
Just a quick addition --- I had a guy bring me his Predator shaft that had a tip put on by someone else (not me !!!). The ferrule was twisted because the tip installer didn't know about the softness and got it too hot during burnishing.

Troy
cuesmith said:
Cory, It's not that at all! I'm a one man shop, custom cuemaker. Quite frankly, I've never considered that they could be hurting anyone's business, because I have trouble keeping up with all the work I have, as it is! But now that you bring it up, I guess that there are a lot of people who are hurt by their marketing. There's only so much expendable income to be divided up among the industry. When you have a product that "catches on" primarily due to marketing, and the product is IMHO, marketed with a retail price, twice it's value, it can have an adverse affect on the industry as a whole! But this something I've never considered until you brought it up.
My contention is based upon 25-30 years experience as a cuesmith and pool player. First off, I don't subscribe to the school of thought that the ultra low deflection shafts are necessary or even better! ALL shafts have some deflection that must be compensated for. This should be done in a subconscious manner. If you have to consciously make these adjustments, the shaft isn't going to help! Second, Pool players have been getting along fine for quite a while with solid shafts. Some of them could even run out! In this day of technology, it seems we are always looking for a gimmick to take the place of old fashioned practice! Meucci started with this line of BS back in the 80's when he used to claim his cues had ZERO DEFLECTION! His proof at the time was that David Howard and Jimmy Rempe could shoot the cueball exactly where they planned to! lol I think we all know that with a little adjustment, any of the top pro's, will adjust to about any cue, within reason! OK, it did take Earl about a year to get the hang of the cuetec, and Efren's game suffered when he tried to play with the Meucci. Earl overcame the hurdle and eventually got at least most of his game back, Efren decided it wasn't worth the effort and went back to what he was used to, because he gambled regularly and could not wait til his subconcious reprogrammed itself! Third and the main reason I dislike the Predator is from a cuesmith's standpoint. I know for a fact that the shaft wood I use is a much better grade and is much denser and harder than the wood used in the predator. I can easily tell this when I have to clean and remove the knicks from one! Often the segments seem to be of a different hardness also. I have seen many times where a dent will cross a glue joint and it is sort of deeper on one segment than the adjoining one. One must be very careful when removing dents fron the Predator shaft! As I mentioned before, the glue is only rated to 140 deg F. Steaming the dent out is not an option! Even burnishing the shaft will bring the temp way over 140 deg. This may cause problems later, even if they don't show up at the time of repair. The ferrules also suck, IMHO! My old partner Dickie, was cleaning one once and got it too hot. It sagged like a limp d**k! He pushed it back into place and held it til it cooled, and it sort of stayed that way! lol In short, I do not think that the trade off's in durability, reliability and inferior materials, are offset by slightly less deflection!

Nothing personal. I know lots of people who have bought in to the hype! It's just that I've been working on cues, too long, to believe they are an improvement! I'm off my soap box!

Just more hot air!

Sherm
 
Here I will tell you the REAL problem with predator ferrules!! Are you ready to listen this is a guarded secret in the predator factory! The reason the ferrules suck so bad is because they are attached to a piece of crap shaft!! sherm is right about the quality of wood look at a new one and just look at it, it has to be B grade at the best! I just dont understand how some people think that a shaft will make you better I had a friend fall for the trap of thier marketing. I will tell you this it didnt make him better at all!! Practice did though!!
 
5aheadforpinks said:
I play and brake with my Predator cue (4K1) and have noticed that my ferral wears down in a cone shape pattern. This is from breaking... the friction from the felt after I follow through actually melts the ferral. This has happened on two of their standard ferrals, they are made of real soft meterial I was told.
My real question is... what kind of ferral should I replace them with and still break with, and how will it effect my hit on the CB?
Send you shaft back to Predator. They should replace the ferrule for free. I had mine replaced for free.
As for Predator hype, I do shoot better with the predator shaft then my schon shaft. Who knows why? It could be a difference in tips. But my scruggs cue feels much better than the Predator. The delection is almost the same.
I eventualy want to stop shooting with my predator if there is an advantage. And learn to adjust to normal deflection like some of the pros. Then I will change my screen name to Danny "?".
 
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