Proof that the UPA/BCA/WPA SUCK

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onepocketchump said:
Mike Sigel is the current IPT world champion. I guess it's very confusing to you but I'll try and break it down for you. These are the acronyms which have national and international champioinships, WPA, EPBF, JBA, APBU, BCA, VNEA, APA, APPA, CBA, DBU, IPT and so on. Who determines the validity of these champions? Why the goroups that put on these tournaments and bestow these titles of course.

Care to bet that the 2006 IPT World Champion will have bested the best in the world and be a lot richer than the WPA's World 8 Ball Champion? Unless they happen to be one in the same, i.e. Efren Reyes.

You can bark about the "legitimacy" of the IPT's first event if you want to but Kevin has already said POINT BLANK that it was a made-for-tv event. If the WPA/UPA/BCA and all the other acronyms were doing their job then perhaps Kevin would have been forced to choose another title for the event. And THAT is the point of this thread.

John
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Could you do me a favor and tell me what all those acronyms stand for? I am making a list so I can sound as intelligent as you do when I post. And while you are busy with that, if you have a dictionary handy, you might want to look up the definition of "sarcasm".
 
Timberly said:
I didn't know of this thread until Frank Alvarez called me this afternoon.

Frank Alvarez is not and never was going to this event.
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Didn`t your mother tell u not to give your telephone number to every man that `sweet talks` to u?
I think that after seeing the criticism he dropped out. :cool:
 
Cornerman said:
The BCA Leagues are a different entity than the BCA Trade Organization. I assure you that John wasn't talking about the BCA pool leagues.

Fred
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Well of course they aren't talking about BCA Leagues, they know nothing about the game. They do however, remove the puarters from the tables quite nicely.
 
Originally Posted by Cornerman
The BCA Leagues are a different entity than the BCA Trade Organization. I assure you that John wasn't talking about the BCA pool leagues.

Fred

This is a deception in itself, miss-leading players into thinking they are the same. One should change its name.
 
Str8PoolMan said:
Could you do me a favor and tell me what all those acronyms stand for? I am making a list so I can sound as intelligent as you do when I post. And while you are busy with that, if you have a dictionary handy, you might want to look up the definition of "sarcasm".
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I know you were being sarcastic. I was testy and didn't see the humor in it. The reply was meant more to address the pointlessness of any of those group's titles except within their own realm. Sorry for the offense.

John
 
And several more!!!!!!

onepocketchump said:
You didn't hurt my feelings one bit. That is my whole point. No one knows how or why these two players ended up being the ONLY male representatives to the "World 8-Ball Championships".

On ability, Max defnitely deserves to be there. There are, however dozens of master-level league players in this country that would have been more fitting players to send than Frank Alvarez. Sorry Frank, if you are reading this, you know I will say the same thing to you as well.

Here is a partial list of relatively "unknown" players who would be well qualified,

Jessie Bowman
Jeff Sargeant
Julio Aquino
Scott Tollefson

And I just don't have time to think of the dozens more.

John
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When you start talking 8 ball, you can look at a lot of the BCA,APA and Valley Master players and find some of the best 8-ballers around. Yes, the leagues are played on bar tables, but a lot of these people play extremely well on big tables too. Along with their talent to play 8-ball patterns as well as anyone, that makes them possible candidates too. Jeese and Jeff Sargent are really good examples. Jason Kirkwood, Brandon Ashcraft, Dee Adkins, are a couple more. JMO Sam
 
vagabond said:
I think that after seeing the criticism he dropped out. :cool:
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This isn't the first time Frank has been criticized. He sounded sincere when he said that he never was invited. :)
 
onepocketchump said:
I know you were being sarcastic. I was testy and didn't see the humor in it. The reply was meant more to address the pointlessness of any of those group's titles except within their own realm. Sorry for the offense.

John
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No worries, mate! My wife tells me I can be a bit of a wiseguy sometimes (but what does she know?). No offense taken. And certainly none intended. :)
 
onepocketchump said:
Max Eberly (USA)
Frank Alvarez (USA

These are the two players who are going to represent the United States in the World 8-Ball championships.

Any idea how this came about? I don't know, no one else wanted to go??? No one cares about playing for a trophy in another country? No one plays 8-ball?

Regardless, Frank Alvarez has NO BETTER qualification to represent the United States as a pool player in any discipline than I do. Wait, I take it back, he is a "pro" player. Kevin was right, you can take any player and dress him up in a "pro" costume and the public will buy it. Ilike Frank, I like his enthusiasm for pool, but he is no more talented for it than I am.

Max Eberle - funny that they can't even spell his name right, is certainly qualified when it comes to pool ability. I wonder how he was chosen though? Was there some qualifier somewhere? Some national tournament to determine who the best 8 player in America is?

The WPA is a joke, the UPA and the BCA are also bad jokes.

Remember, these organizations are supposed to be making sure that the very best players make it to the world stage. But, in the end, it's disorganization ad good 'ole boy politics which decide.

John
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If thay are sendin them we R going to Be out in the first ,,
God help u all .
I have a friend that can Kill frank all day even and with a spot given to him ..
And poor Max ( i'll pray") I'm lost for words on him,
wpa ,upa ,bca ..the powers that be in the PRO pool world .We'll going to hell .If thay made that choice..
Usa world 8-ball we r "DOOMED".Hell if thay picked them Thay should have called me .. :cool: :cool:
 
deadstroke32 said:
If thay are sendin them we R going to Be out in the first ,,
God help u all .
I have a friend that can Kill frank all day even and with a spot given to him ..
And poor Max ( i'll pray") I'm lost for words on him,
wpa ,upa ,bca ..the powers that be in the PRO pool world .We'll going to hell .If thay made that choice..
Usa world 8-ball we r "DOOMED".Hell if thay picked them Thay should have called me .. :cool: :cool:
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I think I agree with you. Sending Frank would be like sending YOU to represent the U.S. in an international spelling bee!
 
No Vote

It doesn’t matter who has done what for the sport. Has Billiards reached the Olympics yet? I did not get a vote on who to send to represent my country.

To be fair, for the short time I have know who John "OnePocketChump" and from what I know about the companies he implores he is a contributor to the sport, in many aspects and definitely more than one.

I agree with the sponsorship comment from David. And the list of potential players from the Chicago area made me smirk. There are excellent qualified players from Michigan as well.

The way I can read it all is that the original statement is a voice trying to say there are no standards to dictate who is the best of the best to represent a COUNTRY. That’s right the USA. We have all of these venues from the APA to the WPBA. We have sanctions, rules, regulations, gambling, amateurs and professionals. What we don't have is a venue that is regulated for the best of the best.

Makes me sit back and think.....is pocket billiards a sport or not. We need major sponsors putting up the money for the sport to be considered a serious sport. We don't need a bunch of pro level players being put into a "tour" type situation with hopes that money will be there when payment time comes. As players we do not need to pay exorbitant membership fees with little in return. Do you think pro's get scholarships and play pro sports for monopoly money? These pro's who are paid millions go onto the Olympic tryouts to represent our country. There names are not picked out of a hat nor is this caliber of playing ability measured by what they have done for the sport. It’s not about points, it’s not about how much money you made legitimately or otherwise, it is about your ability to play the game.

In my opinion the best player to represent a COUNTRY would be someone who can play any billiard game without ever being beat, not just an 8 ball player not just a 9 ball player not just a straight shooter or a corner pocket player but all games. Where is Fatty when you need him?

Steddy Neddy's Girlfriend
 
steadyneddy said:
It doesn’t matter who has done what for the sport. Has Billiards reached the Olympics yet? I did not get a vote on who to send to represent my country.
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I think the olympics will host pool in 2008 or 2012 from what I have read. I'm hoping 2008.
 
JAWS said:
ive never heard of either one of them or you either.they should send karen and allison.
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Max could bust either Karen or Allison handily. Next....
 
Snapshot9 said:
that someone should notify the BCA since
they are on the player's list by the BCA for
North America.

go to: World 8 ball website
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Who needs WPA sanctioning? Get the Sheik's blessing like this one has. :-))

You know what is really sad. The United Arab Emirates has arguably the most amount of free-flowing money per capita in the world and yet they can't manage to host a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS with more than $110,000 in total prize money. I have no idea how the prize breakdown will be. In my mind any player who attends a world championship ought to have all their expenses paid, be treated as royalty and receive a fee just for being there. Just being able to participate in the WC should be the goal and winning it the bonus. Of course, in this scenario I would like to know that the players are indeed the best of the best of the best. Each and every player would have had to beat all comers in order to gain that spot.

John

John
 
Matt_24 said:
Max could bust either Karen or Allison handily. Next....
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I doubt it would be quite as handily as you think. But that's another discussion for another day. When the IPT comes online I think the men vs. women thing will get some very real world street cred. After a year we can all look back and debate the performance that will be on the books.

John
 
pete lafond said:
I think the olympics will host pool in 2008 or 2012 from what I have read. I'm hoping 2008.
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I would be interested in hearing why you think the Olympics would host Pool.

The requirements for a sport to be considered for the Olympic games is very simple.

1. A recognized world orgainization (non-profit)
2. The USA must also have a non-profit and recognized orgainization that has 10% recognition of the players on the board of directors. No Org does that I am aware. VNEA, BCA, ACS, APA, TAP, UPA WPBA.... how many Orgs are there?
3. Standard rules? Even the USA pros have their own tournament rules.
4. Hold a Nationally recognized open yearly Championship tournament. Yeah... where any one can play? or do you have to be a member or on a list of NON-Masters?

Non-Profit, well the ACS is non-profit, but falls short on everything else, especially being a nationally recognized orgainization of pool players. It's not even close to the the APA or VNEA memberships totals.

Pool in the Olympics? maybe? I don't think so, not in my life time.
 
Tom In Cincy said:
I would be interested in hearing why you think the Olympics would host Pool.

The requirements for a sport to be considered for the Olympic games is very simple.

1. A recognized world orgainization (non-profit)
2. The USA must also have a non-profit and recognized orgainization that has 10% recognition of the players on the board of directors. No Org does that I am aware. VNEA, BCA, ACS, APA, TAP, UPA WPBA.... how many Orgs are there?
3. Standard rules? Even the USA pros have their own tournament rules.
4. Hold a Nationally recognized open yearly Championship tournament. Yeah... where any one can play? or do you have to be a member or on a list of NON-Masters?

Non-Profit, well the ACS is non-profit, but falls short on everything else, especially being a nationally recognized orgainization of pool players. It's not even close to the the APA or VNEA memberships totals.

Pool in the Olympics? maybe? I don't think so, not in my life time.
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As I said, I read an article on the internet that it was a consideration for 2008 or 2012. I'm no expert in what qualifies but it sure would be nice to see it happen.
 
One pocket chump you arrogant S.O.B what the hell are you talking about if it weren't for people like Max Eberle or Frank Alvarez we wouldn't have organisations like BCA/WPA/UPA, its because of the players and organisations that the average joe can go out have fun win some money and if he so chooses make a career out of the game.

So no 1 pocket I do not agree with your statement that the BCA/WPA and UPA sucks so go and find some other fool who will beleive you cos I don't and I am sure a lot of other forum members will agree with me.

A very annoyed Scorpion.
 
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