Proofs of the EXACTNESS of Pivot Systems

[JoeyA]

Mike,
The visual are key to all aiming systems and requires memorizing the resulting cut angles. If the results are not what is desired, then one must adjust the visual and stance to achieve the desired cut angle. As important as the visuals are, the body position/stance must be natural and comfortable to attain repeatable accuracy.

As the eyes adjust to the aim line (whatever system), the body must accommodate that visual. If the stance is aligned with the aim line, then the shoulder position above the cue must be aligned as well; the bridge is then positioned behind the (center) CB. So when the eyes, shoulder above the stroking arm and the bridge are on the aim line, you can achieve repeatable/reliable results.

The tricky part is to find where to stroke the cue under the eyes – between both or under the dominant eye that results in being on line. This can be verified by shooting several straight in shots perfectly. We all must be able to shoot straight in shots as well as the CTE 30 degree shot that are gimmes.

Since we all don’t stroke under the same eye/s, the results that we achieve using CTE’s secondary aiming points, 1/8s and ¼s on the OB will be slightly different. This is why we can’t say exactly what cut angles these secondary aim point achieve. Once one does know what cut angles these secondary aim points are for him/her – then time at the table will fill in all of the angles in between these points.

I tried aiming at the secondary aim points on the OB with the eye that was nearest to the pocket/target (thanks), but others might aim at these points by splitting the visuals between the eyes or aiming with the dominant eye. Whatever works and can be memorized.

This rant assumes that one can recognize the angle created by the line from the pocket/target through the center of the OB to the CP back to the shooter and the line from the CB to the GB. This angle will prompt the shooter to remember the pre shot position/s stored in his memory.

Thanks for reading.

Be well all.:thumbup:

Lamas,
I like reading your stuff.

You make far more sense than most of the "other guys".

JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

I'm relatively funny. Funny is: Champ + wild 7 + CTE = NB Cleaning clock and laughing.

Damn, Nick. You are contributing about as much to this thread as I am.

 

[champ2107]

Ask him how he did in that local monday night tourney i sent him too lol

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Yeah...well... OK

So long as you agree that if you were a reporter for the NY Times or Newsweek or Billiard's Digest, or if you were an author writing the "great American novel," and you offered the above sentence, your editors would change it.

Sure, you and they are right about the rules as they exist.

pj
chgo

 

[mikepage]

Sure, you and they are right about the rules as they exist.

pj
chgo

Well sure, you could adopt boldly the more logical approach to the issue, but then you'd have to start saying "ALUMINIUM," and it just ain't worth it.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Well sure, you could adopt boldly the more logical approach to the issue, but then you'd have to start saying "ALUMINIUM," and it just ain't worth it.

Hmmm... so you're saying "this is what we fought the Revolution for??!.#@..%!!??"

OK"," then I'm down with no punctuation outside quotes"."

pj
chgo

 

[jsp]

Hmmm... so you're saying "this is what we fought the Revolution for??!.#@..%!!??"

Don't forget to put the quotes around emoticons or "smiley faces. :embarrassed2::thumbup::angry:"

I'm actually quite surprised that Mike, supposedly a man of science and logic, wouldn't revolt against the established institution of punctuation and their illogical rules every chance he gets. He might as well go and advocate the theory of "geocentrism.:thumbup:"

 

[mikepage]

Don't forget to put the quotes around emoticons or "smiley faces. :embarrassed2::thumbup::angry:"

I'm actually quite surprised that Mike, supposedly a man of science and logic, wouldn't revolt against the established institution of punctuation and their illogical rules every chance he gets. He might as well go and advocate the theory of "geocentrism.:thumbup:"

That'd be "ITS illogical rules."

 

[jsp]

That'd be "ITS illogical rules."

Oops. Got me there. But stay on topic, we're focusing on punctuation, not grammar rules.

And by the way, if you really want to be logical, it should be "IT'S illogical rules". Why leave off the apostrophe just because it can be confused by IT'S contraction variant? If you need an apostrophe for all the other possessive words, then why leave it off "it"? Illogical...just like the "infield fly rule"!

I say we finally spearhead a "PUNCTUATION RENAISSANCE"!!

EDIT: This is topic is much more fun than trying to teach elementary geometry to the "yeasayers".

 

[Banks]

Oops. Got me there. But stay on topic, we're focusing on punctuation, not grammar rules.

And by the way, if you really want to be logical, it should be "IT'S illogical rules". Why leave off the apostrophe just because it can be confused by IT'S contraction variant? If you need an apostrophe for all the other possessive words, then why leave it off "it"? Illogical...just like the "infield fly rule"!

I say we finally spearhead a "PUNCTUATION RENAISSANCE"!!

EDIT: This is topic is much more fun than trying to teach elementary geometry to the "yeasayers".

Hmm.. I don't like the looks of this..

Sounds like a job for the Apostrophe Protection Society! :thumbup:

http://www.apostrophe.org.uk/

Oh.. wait.. it's a British thing.. go figure. :angry:

 

[Palmerfan]

2 questions:

1. I am left eye dominant and play right handed..am I supposed to get my left eye over my shaft line in CTE??

2. Does anyone know of any pros that use/have used a pivot aiming system in tournament play?

 

[Joe T]

2 questions:

1. I am left eye dominant and play right handed..am I supposed to get my left eye over my shaft line in CTE??

2. Does anyone know of any pros that use/have used a pivot aiming system in tournament play?

I'm watching Stevie Moore right now;
http://www.insidepoolmag.com/live-streaming-billiards

 

[LAMas]

2 questions:

1. I am left eye dominant and play right handed..am I supposed to get my left eye over my shaft line in CTE??

2. Does anyone know of any pros that use/have used a pivot aiming system in tournament play?

Do you stroke under your left eye?

Can you see the edge of the CB looking at the secondary spots on the OB with your right eye when cutting to the right?

Then you are OK.

 

[Palmerfan]

I should have been more specific as I have Stans DVD and have seen Moore play his "Pro One"..I wanted to know if there are current pros starting their Cue to one side or the other then pivoting in as I have seen older pros do it..spiderwebcomm has an older legend addressing a cut to the left with the tip of the shaft at the left edge and then shooting center ball. Im wondering if any current pros pivot at the ball and not in the air like Pro One.

 

[Joe T]

I should have been more specific as I have Stans DVD and have seen Moore play his "Pro One"..I wanted to know if there are current pros starting their Cue to one side or the other then pivoting in as I have seen older pros do it..spiderwebcomm has an older legend addressing a cut to the left with the tip of the shaft at the left edge and then shooting center ball. Im wondering if any current pros pivot at the ball and not in the air like Pro One.

There are many players that naturally have their tip offset at address. I use to do it myself when I had thin cuts before I ever heard of pivot aiming, now I do it more consciously and know how and why it works but thats one of the few times I do it.
I've also worked or played with some great shot makers that were way off center and never even knew it. I think the tip being angled off cuts down on the parallex effect or is that parallax? I always forget anyways having the stick angled off can sometimes help you look at a shot in a beneficial way, why? Not sure but experience tells me it may.
Johnny has been accused of it but you can cleary see he isn't doing it, lets watch, he's up next

 

[Joe T]

There are many players that naturally have their tip offset at address. I use to do it myself when I had thin cuts before I ever heard of pivot aiming, now I do it more consciously and know how and why it works but thats one of the few times I do it.
I've also worked or played with some great shot makers that were way off center and never even knew it. I think the tip being angled off cuts down on the parallex effect or is that parallax? I always forget anyways having the stick angled off can sometimes help you look at a shot in a beneficial way, why? Not sure but experience tells me it may.
Johnny has been accused of it but you can cleary see he isn't doing it, lets watch, he's up next

Robb Saez is one of those players I was talking about as far as lining up with the tip way off center. Robb has always lined up with what looks like at least a full tip of left hand english on every shot no matter what he's going to put on it. He's now in the finals.

 

[jsp]

It actually depends on if you are using American or British style punctuation. Personally, I feel like the British style of punctuation is easier to read and tend to use it even though I am American.

This post of Masayoshi's was made only a few hours before the tsunami hit Miyagi.

Masayoshi, we all hope you're okay out there. Keep us updated any chance you get.

 

[phil]

Many posters here have claimed that these pivot systems are "exact" or "perfect" or that they require absolutely no subconscious adjustments if systematically followed.

Well, I created a the thread for these posters to PROVE these claims. If a particular system is EXACT as claimed/advertised, then it can formally be proven mathematically.

So let's start seeing these proofs! Otherwise, the exactness/perfectness of these systems will continue to be considered as unsubstantiated claims by the "detractors".

the only thing PROVEN so far is pool is pool and math is math and never the twain shall meet at any high level. u got it or u dont everything else is hobby or mental masturbation.

 

[Masayoshi]

This post of Masayoshi's was made only a few hours before the tsunami hit Miyagi.

Masayoshi, we all hope you're okay out there. Keep us updated any chance you get.

I'm alright, got hit real hard by the quake, but no tsunami.

 

[Neil]

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