Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM

CJ Wiley said:
Technically you're wrong in making that statement.

I stated "they're just a "hair" over 4" pockets"......in case you didn't "real eyes" it, and it's stated clearly.....you can argue how wide a "hair" is, but then you'd be taking the position that I was being literal - and with the ruler plainly visible it's clearly a figure of speech ie: "The football team was a "hair" from making a first down on that play"......'The Game is the Teacher'.....but just by a "hair". ;)

CLICK PICTURE TO SEE POCKETS THAT ARE A HAIR OVER 4"
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CJ, come on! Are you really trying to defend that?? Since you apparently don't know, pockets are measured at the points. The balls are 2 1/4". Two balls make 4 1/2". Two balls just fit inbetween the points, so the pockets are 4 1/2". As far as your ruler, you didn't even notice that the "0" end wasn't even touching the rail! The bottom edge of the ruler was, not the top where the numbers are. Just over 4" is NOT the same as 4 1/2", no matter how you want to sell it.
 
JB Cases said:
Can anyone else here post a video of themselves running 29 balls into one pocket of any size like this?

I could post a video running 2.9 :-)
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Actually, yes. There are a number of people on here that can do it. Especially when you only have to run one rack, then edit in the next rack you do it in too. Maybe he did actually almost run two racks without an edit. There's many people out there that can do much more than that. It's a little impressive, but not the "ooh-aah" moment you want to make it out to be.
 
lfigueroa said:
Already told you: I am not going to email you diddly-do-da. It's all going to be out in the open, baby ;-)

Lou Figueroa
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Hey it isn't a problem for me of you want to throw away the shot at an easy 10k. I am sure you have plenty of people in the corporation who could work out the details. I went down the public road with you and others before and the end result is a lot of barking and no game.

Nothing would prevent you from posting the emails. I understand though that you are glad to have this excuse to not play. Takes the pressure off you doesn't it?

Your backers must be pissed to see their horse pulling up lame. Finally the chance to put Barton in his place and their horse won't run. Now they know the truth that you are scared even when you have the nuts.

Hate to say I told you so folks. Move along now no show here.
 
JB Cases said:
After reading through CJ's points and thinking about Jay's infinite possibilities comment the question occurs to me that if a player has infinite shots when its their turn in one game and extremely limited choices in another game then the one with less choice seems harder.

Any rotation game forces the shot on the player and dictates what shots out of a very limited number of choices must be executed.

How many times have people said that 8 ball is much easier than 9 ball precisely because of the amount of choices and yet if it is one pocket vs 9 ball the same criteria makes the game harder?

I am not really on one side or the other here since I play all games at a low level. But I do find it interesting that the choices argument goes both ways.
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You can shoot any ball, but at ONLY ONE POCKET. Your choices get limited pretty fast here too.

The part I like most about 1 pocket, is that your intelligence can make up for lack of ability. If you play the game as a chess match, you can real in a guy who is a little better than you. That's what made me fall in love with the game.


I can't be the only guy that feels certain people come off like a used car salesman???
 
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Neil said:
CJ, come on! Are you really trying to defend that?? Since you apparently don't know, pockets are measured at the points. The balls are 2 1/4". Two balls make 4 1/2". Two balls just fit inbetween the points, so the pockets are 4 1/2". As far as your ruler, you didn't even notice that the "0" end wasn't even touching the rail! The bottom edge of the ruler was, not the top where the numbers are. Just over 4" is NOT the same as 4 1/2", no matter how you want to sell it.
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"Oh Neil, you are such a party-pooper, being obsessed with how I measure the pocket size. Didn't you ever go to marketing school? A half inch is just a 'hair' in marketing-droid-speak."

All funnin' aside, while CJ is obviously wrong in how he's measuring the pocket (i.e. not using/aligning a ruler correctly -- surprising, coming from someone that "supposedly" worked in a lumber yard and says he spent a lot of time using tools like hammers), the feat of two consecutive racks into the same pocket (minus one ball on the break that he didn't spot correctly) is still two thumbs up in my book. :thumbup2:

-Sean <-- personal best is one rack (15-and-out), although that was with the classic one pocket "game" break and chipping the balls out of the pile straight-pool-style, not blasting the rack wide open at the get-go. Will have to try that.
 
lfigueroa said:
You're nobody on the internet until you have your own chimp jumping up and down on the sidelines :-) lol, you go, Spider -- you go!

Lou Figueroa
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Sorry if I hurt your feelings Lou., but those cartoons of you just tickle me pink!
 
Bambu said:
Sorry if I hurt your feelings Lou., but those cartoons of you just tickle me pink!
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No, my feelings aren't hurt, Bambu. I meant what I said in all sincerity: you are nobody on the internet until you start getting guys like Spider doing cartoons and parodies. I know it sounds a bit perverse, but that's the way it works, whether it's here on a pool forum or somewhere else on the internet. It's all good.

Lou Figueroa
 
jhanso18 said:
You can shoot any ball, but at ONLY ONE POCKET. Your choices get limited pretty fast here too.

The part I like most about 1 pocket, is that your intelligence can make up for lack of ability. If you play the game as a chess match, you can real in a guy who is a little better than you. That's what made me fall in love with the game.


I can't be the only guy that feels certain people come off like a used car salesman???
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Justin I do understand the games a little bit. No need for you to explain them to me. If you have read my posts in this thread I brought up the limited choices aspect early in the thread.

As for the put down of CJ perhaps you would be so kind as to point out any other professional player that has been as engaging and shared as much with the fans here on azb. I can't think of any.
 
lfigueroa said:
No, my feelings aren't hurt, Bambu. I meant what I said in all sincerity: you are nobody on the internet until you start getting guys like Spider doing cartoons and parodies. I know it sounds a bit perverse, but that's the way it works, whether it's here on a pool forum or somewhere else on the internet. It's all good.

Lou Figueroa
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You have defiNITely earned your infamy.
 
lfigueroa said:
No, my feelings aren't hurt, Bambu. I meant what I said in all sincerity: you are nobody on the internet until you start getting guys like Spider doing cartoons and parodies. I know it sounds a bit perverse, but that's the way it works, whether it's here on a pool forum or somewhere else on the internet. It's all good.

Lou Figueroa
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No sir, those were all done without any suggestion from me. Obviously, and in all fairness....you had a lot more to do with their creation than I did.
 
JB Cases said:
Justin I do understand the games a little bit. No need for you to explain them to me. If you have read my posts in this thread I brought up the limited choices aspect early in the thread.

As for the put down of CJ perhaps you would be so kind as to point out any other professional player that has been as engaging and shared as much with the fans here on azb. I can't think of any.
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The car salesman line was aimed at FAR more than CJ, and if you can't figure out who I'm not going to take the time to point.

Also, I feel the need to call you a name and challenge you to some 1p all the sudden... ;)
 
Neil said:
Actually, yes. There are a number of people on here that can do it. Especially when you only have to run one rack, then edit in the next rack you do it in too. Maybe he did actually almost run two racks without an edit. There's many people out there that can do much more than that. It's a little impressive, but not the "ooh-aah" moment you want to make it out to be.
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It's impressive to me. If you did one duplicating or surpassing CJ's then I'd be equally impressed. To me it seems like downplaying it is kind of sour grapes.

I mean on the 14.1 forum there is a list of 200+ ball runners because the folks who take 14.1 serious know that that is a good milestone and there are not that many people on the planet who have done it.

I disagree with you that there are many people who can do much more than that. I think that like running 200 balls there are actually NOT that many people who can do it. It's an elite group.

Jay ran his one pocket challenge for years at the Derby and the best anyone did was Gabe Owens with a 60 in five racks. Maybe someone can dig up a list of what the pros did but I doubt that there were very many of them running 15s consecutively.

It's fine if you disagree with CJ I know you don't like him. You can hate whoever you want to hate but what you can't do is take away what they have accomplished. You might be able to match it and establish yourself in the same class but you can't erase or negate what he did simply because you can do it too.

It's like Earl, hated for his outbursts but the man still has the hardware to back up his playing level. People can nitpick all they want but he won those tournaments and racked up those trophies and that's in the books.
 
Bambu said:
No sir, those were all done without any suggestion from me. Obviously, and in all fairness....you had a lot more to do with their creation than I did.
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I know that. Maybe you misinterpreted my original comment -- it wasn't directed at you.

Lou Figueroa
 
jhanso18 said:
The car salesman line was aimed at FAR more than CJ, and if you can't figure out who I'm not going to take the time to point.

Also, I feel the need to call you a name and challenge you to some 1p all the sudden... ;)
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I am pretty dense Justin, I saw you knock CJ pretty hard earlier in the thread so I kind of lumped you in with the folks who get off on disrespecting pro players you don't agree with.

As for calling me names and challenging me to play.....I inspire that in people somehow. But for some reason all I ever get is the name calling, no one actually ever plays.
 
JB Cases said:
It's impressive to me. If you did one duplicating or surpassing CJ's then I'd be equally impressed. To me it seems like downplaying it is kind of sour grapes.
John, I'm not "downplaying it". I'm simply putting it in it's proper perspective. Yes, it is impressive, as I clearly stated. It is not awe inspiring like you make it out to be.
I mean on the 14.1 forum there is a list of 200+ ball runners because the folks who take 14.1 serious know that that is a good milestone and there are not that many people on the planet who have done it.

I disagree with you that there are many people who can do much more than that. I think that like running 200 balls there are actually NOT that many people who can do it. It's an elite group.
Nice red herring, you been studying under "English!" or something? Where did I say anything about 14.1?? Why even bring up something that wasn't mentioned at all, and then debate it in the very same post??
Jay ran his one pocket challenge for years at the Derby and the best anyone did was Gabe Owens with a 60 in five racks. Maybe someone can dig up a list of what the pros did but I doubt that there were very many of them running 15s consecutively.
Quite a few did 15's. Yes, the high was around 60. TWICE of what you are in awe of with CJ. (and, no telling how many attempts it took CJ to get it on film)
It's fine if you disagree with CJ I know you don't like him. You can hate whoever you want to hate but what you can't do is take away what they have accomplished. You might be able to match it and establish yourself in the same class but you can't erase or negate what he did simply because you can do it too.
Again, making up stuff and declaring it as fact. I don't hate CJ. I don't know if I like him or not, never met him. But, if he is in person like he is on here, I probably wouldn't give him the time of day. No one is trying to erase his history. Why would you even say something like that? In his day, he was a great player. Today, not so. From what I have seen and heard of his playing lately, a number of shortstops can beat him right now. It is what it is. That doesn't take away from what he has done at all. No more than it does with Keith. He doesn't play anymore either. He also can't play like he did in his prime. Doesn't take away what he did do in his prime at all.
It's like Earl, hated for his outbursts but the man still has the hardware to back up his playing level. People can nitpick all they want but he won those tournaments and racked up those trophies and that's in the books.
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If you ever bothered to actually read what is said without your biases, you would know that the only problem I have with him is his totally inaccurate claims. Such as saying that he doesn't defy known physics, it's just that known physics haven't caught up to what he is cable of doing yet. I'm not going to go over what areas I have a problem with here. I've done that very clearly in the past. Take if for what it is. What you need to do is stop thinking that just because someone played great at one time, that everything they say is gospel and is not to be disputed. Any way you look at it, that just boils down to hero worship, and makes anything else you say very biased and makes you sound rather uninformed. You of all people on here should be able to see through his "marketing" for what it is. Not be swallowed up by it.
 
JB Cases said:
I am pretty dense Justin, I saw you knock CJ pretty hard earlier in the thread so I kind of lumped you in with the folks who get off on disrespecting pro players you don't agree with.

As for calling me names and challenging me to play.....I inspire that in people somehow. But for some reason all I ever get is the name calling, no one actually ever plays.
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I don't bash pro players I disagree with, and I don't jump on ANYONE'S band wagon. If CJ want's to play here, I'm all for it. The problem I have with CJ is that he only ever seems to want to play his game.

CJ seems to only address posts he wants to, fine. He seems to only start a new thread or respond to one when he has something he wants to promote/sell, not fine. (for me, atleast.)

I think higher of CJ than that. He's a professional that actually acts as such. (This is a HUGE rarity for us pool peeps.) Maybe it's wrong that I expect more from the man. I don't know him from Sam, but he is trying to change a sport/game that I love. If I can influence him to post more genuinely by "knocking" him, I'm all for it. I'm not looking for CJ to go away, I'm looking for him to be here MORE! I can honestly say that I would buy more of his products, if his promotion of them wasn't so blatant, and/or in the correct area. If he wants to fill up the For Sale forum with his TOI stuff, or his Earl documentary, etc. I wouldn't have one gripe.

I like the idea of what CJ CAN bring to the table here. Some people will say I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, but I can honestly say that I want him here more. I want him to be an active member here in more than his current promotional capacity.

Sorry if this seems like a big bash on CJ, but it's been mentioned by SEVERAL posters, and I think most of us feel this way. CJ CAN DO FAR MORE!

The game isn't my teacher, but it is my favorite game. If we ever meet, I will ACTUALLY play you. Maybe SBE next year after you play Lou, you can recoup a little from me. Assuming I make it there.

All the best,
 
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