Pros not telling you everything.....

This happens everywhere... Some professional musicians will tell you that they don't practice scales or have an understanding in music theory. My favorite quote is from George Lynch... he said that if you put a gun to his head he wouldn't be able to play a major scale.

Victor Wooten said that if you want to hear what it sounds like when someone plays that has no understanding of music theory, then give your instrument to a golfer! Pure feeling and emotion :)

And by the way, I am a musician... Just not Pro. So I will share what I have learned over the years. Just PM me... Open to anyone.
 
Pat , I totally agree with you on this whole thread there are things the Pro's are not telling you . Someday pat you and I will have to chat . take care buddy .
 
Joey A THANK GOD!

JoeyA said:
1. The pros DO NOT easily share "their SECRETS" of pool.

One of the best professionals in the world confided in me that he will not divulge certain secrets until after he has finished his career. There's no doubt that the professional players know things that amateurs don't. To believe otherwise 'tis folly.

2. One person's "SECRETS" is another person's everyday knowledge.

3. One person's "SECRETS" is another person's epiphany.

4. I have learned MANY "SECRETS" from professional players and my experience is like yours. Most pros DO NOT WANT to "cast their pearls upon the swine".

5. There will always be those who poo-poo "THE SECRETS" and that's just fine by all of the pros. Most of the pros won't waste a moment of their time trying to convince anyone of anything. Why should they? The pros visit forums like AZ Billiards and see all of the naysayers ridiculing them and their pool "secrets" on a regular basis. Why would they want to argue with an anonmous entities hell bent on making making themselves look "questionably important" by knocking others down in the process?

In the generation that I grew up in, the top players, at least on a local basis, took most of what they knew to their graves.

JoeyA
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BOUT DAMN TIME another FEW actually commented accordingly! thansk Joey..you're gettin green damnit....Everything you just said Joey is exactly what was said to me by MANY....
 
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On the nose!

Llama said:
This happens everywhere... Some professional musicians will tell you that they don't practice scales or have an understanding in music theory. My favorite quote is from George Lynch... he said that if you put a gun to his head he wouldn't be able to play a major scale.

Victor Wooten said that if you want to hear what it sounds like when someone plays that has no understanding of music theory, then give your instrument to a golfer! Pure feeling and emotion :)

And by the way, I am a musician... Just not Pro. So I will share what I have learned over the years. Just PM me... Open to anyone.
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You hit it buddy!
 
PistolPat said:
People are misinterpreting the use of the word secret in this thread as ONE specific secret or even secrets...Let's put it this way....The pro's have a MORE in depth KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of pool and MOST of it's dynamics and most are UNWILLING or UNLIKELY to share WHAT THEY have learned and what they've come to understand to those who LACK the understanding and the knowledge that they ( Pros ) posses....hows that?
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Thats a better way to put it.But don't you think its that knowledge acquired by the years of experience?

Everyone has to start somewhere.
 
Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But!!!

Cue Alchemist said:
Thats a better way to put it.But don't you think its that knowledge acquired by the years of experience?

Everyone has to start somewhere.
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BUT those looking to start from the beginning by trying to acquire that knowledge prematurely ( By asking pros ) is what I'm getting at....TO THEM what the pros know is a secret and to be honest even to season vets what most pros know they never even knew themselves!
 
Cue Alchemist said:
Thats a better way to put it.But don't you think its that knowledge acquired by the years of experience?

Everyone has to start somewhere.
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It's not a better way to put it imo. It's just another way to put it.

The truth is that a secret is knowledge or information that one won't or is reluctant or slow to share. I think this fits most of the professional pool players perfectly as far as "secrets" are concerned.
 
Lesser players can bleed better players...

to death if given the chance.

Good thread PistolPat and I agree with what you say about why some better players (not just pros) don't freely share the golden nuggets.

I'd just like to add... In a pool hall the best players are looked up to by most anyone that can hold a cue, some may even be looked up to as demi-gods by the star-struck. If those superior players have an open door policy, there's people who will work him like a fiddle and bleed him like a stuck cow.

Then after some nuggets have been shared, all too often the wannabe will go to another table and commence to banging like Fred Flinstone at the quarry, as compared to doing the obvious - Ex. practicing the shot, over and over until you get it - just as was instructed. Many of these wannabes will NOT put in the work, so why should a good player give them the time?:mad: AND, add to that -->

the next time the wannabe sees the good player walk in, he'll invariably and immediately approach and ask "how's this look? Watch me." Then, "let's play some, ok?"

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And god forbid if a good player is alone on a table, he must surely be waiting for Mr. "I beat the 2 ball ghost once" to approach and challenge him to a "let's see how quick I can get you out of stroke" match.

That being said, every once in a while a wannabe is an up and comer. The good players can spot the difference. The up and comer who puts in the time, is respectful and respected - he's the one more likely to get the nuggets. And I believe most good players will take pride in his protege's accomplishments.
 
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Ability and Knowledge

I don't think the young guns that play at a high level use aiming systems. They just have alot of natural ability. Similar to a young musician or artist. All the knowledge, time and practice in the world will not get someone to pro caliber. However a visitsto an understanding neurosurgeon who can connect the right wires will improve your focus and ability tenfold. Let technology and medicine do what God didn't.
 
When you know, you know.

All you can do is say what you know. Hard to convince others, but I appreciate your post.
Just a banger.
 
natural ability

I go more for the natural ability theory. I taught my brother how to play and he had more talent in his hands from day one than I will ever have. They say Scott Frost was gambling hard at age 16 - that's because he had talent, and it showed from the beginning. Earl said to himself before he was 10 years old that he would be champion of the world. Another thing, depending on your ability, a pro say like Stevie Moore could tell you something, but unless you were somewhere near his level, either you wouldn't understand it, or couldn't do it, or both. If a pro like Chavez gives a lesson to me, I might benefit to some small extent, but his stroke is so smooth, and mine so amateurish, that he simply can't communicate his knowledge (and it's not really knowledge) to me. It's like a language, a skilled Spanish teacher is wasting his time teaching someone how to conjugate the verb to have. But there surely are some secrets that the pros are reluctant to divulge. But in any event only a very small percentage of their students would be able to understand or appreciate or employ the secret anyway.
 
It's not complex math, It's just pool.

There is nothing being held back, like may be done in a game like poker.

Let me know what's at the end of the rainbow when you get there :)
 
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There are no secrets. What seperates a champion player from a world beater? God given talent. That's what i believe. Pistol i do like your Prewitt collection have a couple myself.
 
BelleBelle said:
There are no secrets. What seperates a champion player from a world beater? God given talent. That's what i believe. Pistol i do like your Prewitt collection have a couple myself.
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So, what happens when someone with natural talent gains knowledge?
 
Yes Llama,

but Jasmin is also a perfect example how to do a *job* really professionally. And to watch her playing is really exciting,

lg
Ingo
 
Chesscat said:
I go more for the natural ability theory. I taught my brother how to play and he had more talent in his hands from day one than I will ever have. They say Scott Frost was gambling hard at age 16 - that's because he had talent, and it showed from the beginning. Earl said to himself before he was 10 years old that he would be champion of the world. Another thing, depending on your ability, a pro say like Stevie Moore could tell you something, but unless you were somewhere near his level, either you wouldn't understand it, or couldn't do it, or both. If a pro like Chavez gives a lesson to me, I might benefit to some small extent, but his stroke is so smooth, and mine so amateurish, that he simply can't communicate his knowledge (and it's not really knowledge) to me. It's like a language, a skilled Spanish teacher is wasting his time teaching someone how to conjugate the verb to have. But there surely are some secrets that the pros are reluctant to divulge. But in any event only a very small percentage of their students would be able to understand or appreciate or employ the secret anyway.
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Awesome post. Good point,whats the use of pros passing around the knowledge when you aren't at the level to understand it.
 
That's easy.....................

BelleBelle said:
There are no secrets. What seperates a champion player from a world beater? God given talent. That's what i believe. Pistol i do like your Prewitt collection have a couple myself.
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A person with MORE knowledge than the other..of course : )
 
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