Pros vs 8-ball on TAR

[Celtic]

IMO the table is just a bit too tight for rotation games and almost perfect for one pocket.

And it is going to be absolutely awesome for 8-ball.

 

[bud green]

Pockets like that change everything. I'll guess 33 percent break and run.

I'm sure someone has broken down break and runs for previous events, but a couple things make me think 50 percent isn't impossible.

Efren "I like eight ball...I make ball on break, I win."

The fact that guys like Souqet and Holmann have run something like 27 racks of eight ball. I doubt their tables were nearly as tough as the TAR table, but still, that's a ton of racks.

Both of these guys are phenomenal players, and both play excellent 14.1 which helps prevent those positional mistakes in clustered tables.

 

[Celtic]

I'm sure someone has broken down break and runs for previous events, but a couple things make me think 50 percent isn't impossible.

Efren "I like eight ball...I make ball on break, I win."

The fact that guys like Souqet and Holmann have run something like 27 racks of eight ball. I doubt their tables were nearly as tough as the TAR table, but still, that's a ton of racks.

Both of these guys are phenomenal players, and both play excellent 14.1 which helps prevent those positional mistakes in clustered tables.

For those three guys from the IPT which was 9-foot 8-ball with larger pockets.

The number is the percentage of the players wins that were break and runs.

Efren
2006 North American Open - Las Vegas, NV
28.71%
2006 World Open - Reno, NV (Efren won this event)
33.98%

Thorsten
2006 North American Open - Las Vegas, NV (Thorsten won this event)
37.07%
2006 World Open - Reno, NV
31.58%

Ralf
2006 North American Open - Las Vegas, NV
38.89%
2006 World Open - Reno, NV
43.37%

All of the stats of all the various players in the IPT can be found here
http://www.internationalpooltour.com/Players/

 

[bud green]

Celtic is the man. I think my 33% percent might be close.

Damn you for being so smart...I f'd up my post and look like a monkey with the "I'm doubt" part. Long day...brain is fried...maybe beer will help.:smile:

 

[quadrary]

my opinion for what its worth is that best 8 ball format is open after break call shot alternating breahs with 8 on break getting spotted.
Monty

 

[strumnken]

but to me a runout is that much sweeter when I get out after taking what I make as opposed to the opposite. These guys can (and will) come up with some big shots. Let's make the challenge harder for them. They are pros for a reason, lets see it in action, and enjoy the show.

I definitely agree. In the town I live in we play exclusively in bars. The rule everywhere around here is take what you make. I love the expression on my opponents face when we have a little money on the rack, I break and am stuck with an ugly looking suit. His expression on the break is triumphant. But, when I still manage to run them, breaking up my clusters and opening my problems, his expression as he's handing me the cash is priceless. It's true that the runout is easier if it's open after the break, and it's a lot more satisfying to get the runout when you don't have the choice and it looks as though the odds are stacked against you.

 

[donny mills]

You are right guys, you should be able to break, lose your cue ball, make a ball then be able to shoot at whatever you want vs controlling your cue ball keeping it center table so you have best chance to continue your run.

Sometimes I wonder if people on this forum even play pool for the cash. Trust me if you think you are the better player you should want the game as tough as possible.

Bingo! B-i-n-g-o