Push Came to Shove, and Wisconsin showed that it will NOT be pushed around!

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This message was just forwarded to me. The message reads loud and clear again. The players will NOT submit to ultimatums from the ACS!

Dear John:

Push came to shove, and Wisconsin showed that it will not be pushed around! A very surprised ex-president of the BCA was evicted off his thrown today in a landslide vote at the monthly meeting of the WIBCA.

With a numerous attempts of sabotage from the ex president, and by publicly stating that "No Outsiders" would be welcome at their meeting, he tried unsuccessfully to lure the league operators to the ACS, that he is and has been openly supporting since its creation. The tactics included inviting Cecil Messer, President of the ACS to address the meeting to speak, but declining any invitation to the BCA representatives to attend.

Sources say, that a very respectable new board was elected to include Dave Jacoby, of Jacoby Cues as VP and, Scott Dulian as acting President.

It is moves such as these that the players, league operators and people with general concern need to be aware of. The ACS in it's short existence, is notorious for questionable management, and this is just another tactic that this time has back fired.

Mr. Griffin did nothing wrong by purchasing something that was rightfully "For Sale." He was not the seller, it seams as though if anyone that the players should be taking this out on is the people or person who sold the organization.

Please forward this to as many as possible, because it stands as another victory for the BCA and more egg on the faces of the ACS.

Sincerely,

Eric Preston
 
Something good is going to happen.

Something good is going to happen. A great thing has happen.

The people of the great state of Wisconsin have voted....They had the insight to see what was best for the pool players. Welcome back to the world. Welcome back to the BCA............now back to pool this will help other state association who haven't gone crazy yet.

Andrew Monstis
Oregon
 
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I don't know much about these things, so please pardon my ignorance, but I'm curious about how a non-profit organization, like the former BCA, can be sold...who gets the money? Was it split among the board of directors who managed it? Who "owned" it to have the authority to sell it? Thanks for enlightening me...
rayjay
 
rayjay said:
I don't know much about these things, so please pardon my ignorance, but I'm curious about how a non-profit organization, like the former BCA, can be sold...who gets the money? Was it split among the board of directors who managed it? Who "owned" it to have the authority to sell it? Thanks for enlightening me...
rayjay
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You would be better served by a CPA answering your question - so if there is one on the forum, it would be very nice to hear from them. It is my understanding that a profit or non-profit status for a business are in many ways a tax classification. It is naive to believe that an organization is not about making money. The health of every organization has something to do with money in some way, shape, or form. I have heard a couple times that John Lewis' salary was 70K - no wonder he didn't want it to sell...(that is only an unconfirmed rumor). Anyhow - the BCA "trade" organization may be non-profit - but it is very much about making a profit - and it should be a good and fair business like any other because if the BCA flourishes - it is good for the sport. Hope my two cents helps :) Have a good one!
 
I attended the meeting and it was a spirited debate. I believe that the new President, Scott Dulian, will be posting a press release by tomorrow.

I take nothing away from what Randy Reinfeldt, former WIBCA President, did with the organization. He put alot of time and effort into turning it into a great state organization. The opinion that many of the league operators had was that he lost focus on what his actual duties were as WIBCA President. I as a player am grateful for what he has done, but it was obvious that a change was needed. It is too bad that the treasurer, Ken Manlick, was voted out. He did an outstanding job.

All together, it seemed that the league operators wanted to give the BCA Pool Leagues a chance. It was voted that WI would stay the WIBCA for one year and then address the situation and see how things are going next year.

Seemed like the best thing to do given that Mark hadn't shown us a reason not to give him a chance.
 
JohnBCA said:
It is moves such as these that the players, league operators and people with general concern need to be aware of. The ACS in it's short existence, is notorious for questionable management, and this is just another tactic that this time has back fired.
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Just recently I recieved a letter from Betty Harris, who was in charge of the BCA Ref Program, and is in charge of the ACS Ref Program, asking me to pay my membership to the ACS BCA Ref program. I don't recall giving my address to the ACS, nor my email address. But they have them both! Just how did they get them?

And Mark Griffin had to scramble and tell all the BCA Refs not to fall for this.

Barbara~~~didn't fall for it.
 
I would just like to put my .02 worth in on this post. I, as the acting president of the WIBCA, wish that people would not be so negative, and realize that the pool players together are the true losers over all of this nonsense going on. My own opinion on this matter of our association staying WIBCA is that we voted to give Mark Griffin a one year window to prove himself. My own belief is that Randy Reinfeldt, Ken Manlick, and Jon Kent did their jobs to the best of their ability, and until I am proven wrong, I have to believe that the decisions they had made were in there opinion in the best interests of the pool players. It is just that everyone has an opinion. At this time, there is no right or wrong association. In closing, I can honestly say that I have no regrets over my decisions. I never rode the fence, and who knows, maybe I will ride into a wall one day. Then I will hopefully have the tools to climb that wall.
Scott Dulian, WIBCA President
 
The Rooko said:
realize that the pool players together are the true losers over all of this nonsense going on.
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This hits the nail on the head. It seems like no one wants to remember the whole PBT/Camel split and how that damaged the men's professional game so badly. Are we forced to now see history repeat itself in the amateur side of things?

Mike
 
rayjay said:
I don't know much about these things, so please pardon my ignorance, but I'm curious about how a non-profit organization, like the former BCA, can be sold...who gets the money? Was it split among the board of directors who managed it? Who "owned" it to have the authority to sell it? Thanks for enlightening me...
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The BCA sold only the rights to its league system. The BCA still exists as a non-profit organization that is now primarily a trade organization. This is separate from the league organization that Mark Griffin bought. I'm pretty sure that any money generated by the BCA cannot directly benefit any member company of the BCA in order to maintain the non-profit status. A list of the current BCA (trade organization) directors is available at
the BCA website .
 
JohnBCA said:
This message was just forwarded to me. The message reads loud and clear again. The players will NOT submit to ultimatums from the ACS!

Dear John:

Push came to shove, and Wisconsin showed that it will not be pushed around! A very surprised ex-president of the BCA was evicted off his thrown today in a landslide vote at the monthly meeting of the WIBCA.

With a numerous attempts of sabotage from the ex president, and by publicly stating that "No Outsiders" would be welcome at their meeting, he tried unsuccessfully to lure the league operators to the ACS, that he is and has been openly supporting since its creation. The tactics included inviting Cecil Messer, President of the ACS to address the meeting to speak, but declining any invitation to the BCA representatives to attend.

Sources say, that a very respectable new board was elected to include Dave Jacoby, of Jacoby Cues as VP and, Scott Dulian as acting President.

It is moves such as these that the players, league operators and people with general concern need to be aware of. The ACS in it's short existence, is notorious for questionable management, and this is just another tactic that this time has back fired.

Mr. Griffin did nothing wrong by purchasing something that was rightfully "For Sale." He was not the seller, it seams as though if anyone that the players should be taking this out on is the people or person who sold the organization.

Please forward this to as many as possible, because it stands as another victory for the BCA and more egg on the faces of the ACS.

Sincerely,

Eric Preston
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If you want to see the Canadian version of John Lewis speak,check out TED HARMS WEB SITE AT PLAYERSPOOLLEAGUE.COM.He is getting lots of competition from other leagues for bca players,2 new operators have started up.
 
Barbara said:
Just recently I recieved a letter from Betty Harris, who was in charge of the BCA Ref Program, and is in charge of the ACS Ref Program, asking me to pay my membership to the ACS BCA Ref program. I don't recall giving my address to the ACS, nor my email address. But they have them both! Just how did they get them?

And Mark Griffin had to scramble and tell all the BCA Refs not to fall for this.

Barbara~~~didn't fall for it.
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...........I hope that this is not another unethical ACS thing of taking address from another organization. I don't want to believe this but if true....... If true they could be in more trouble....
 
sharandrew said:
...........I hope that this is not another unethical ACS thing of taking address from another organization. I don't want to believe this but if true....... If true they could be in more trouble....
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Well, I know for a fact that I did not give my snail mail or email address to the ACS and I have been getting emails from them as well. I've been a Ref for three years now and that form from Betty Harris looked just the same as when she'd been sending them out from the BCA office.

What I want to know is, what happens if you do join the ACS as a Referee? Does that prohibit you from also registering with the BCA now?

Barbara
 
Where's the Ref?

It saddens me deeply to watch another rift in the pool community. There is absolutely no need to rip apart the BCA referee program. There has been a lot of hard work building the referee program and it's staff into a very professional group that adds a lot of value to tournaments.

The consensus of the referees at the BCA Nationals was to explore a separate entity that would keep the referee program together. An entity that is separate from any league organization that would provide their services to tournaments produced by any group. Mark Griffin supports this goal. I'm sure the players would support this goal. I'm very disapointed that the staff at the ACS does not.

Again, it's the players that will suffer. The players need to stand up and voice their opinion. I strongly encourage every player to call or email the ACS board and ask them to support a new separate entity for the referrees.

Let's see if the ACS is really for the players!

Mark Avlon
BCA National Referee
 
Mark Avlon said:
It saddens me deeply to watch another rift in the pool community. There is absolutely no need to rip apart the BCA referee program. There has been a lot of hard work building the referee program and it's staff into a very professional group that adds a lot of value to tournaments.

The consensus of the referees at the BCA Nationals was to explore a separate entity that would keep the referee program together. An entity that is separate from any league organization that would provide their services to tournaments produced by any group. Mark Griffin supports this goal. I'm sure the players would support this goal. I'm very disapointed that the staff at the ACS does not.

Again, it's the players that will suffer. The players need to stand up and voice their opinion. I strongly encourage every player to call or email the ACS board and ask them to support a new separate entity for the referrees.

Let's see if the ACS is really for the players!

Mark Avlon
BCA National Referee
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A pro-active approach calling ACS and asking them "what the H%&L" "how about supporting a separte entity for the refs"...........I like that idea!!!!
 
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