Push-Out after the break.

[av84fun]

Devil Dogs are Marines and this Devil Dog is going to rip the THE GINGERBREAD MAN a new one. (all in good time)

Devil Dog (aka: JoeyA)

(Fatboy, you had to go and shove the pointed stick into the normally peaceful, sleeping dog, didn't ya?)

Are you still 185 lbs. of ROMPIN' STOMPIN' DEATH AND DESTRUCTION???


HOOWAAAAAAH!
(-:

 

[av84fun]

You can shoot any shot on a push out as long as you do not scratch and the incoming player has the option to shoot or make the "pusher" shoot. If you call a push and make the other players money ball, it comes back up. Thats how I have always heard it played.

Southpaw

Almost. When playing all ball fouls, if the player pushing out should move an OB with his cue, or touch a ball with his clothing etc., that would be a foul and BIH for the opponent.

Only the rules about cushion contact are suspended for the push out.

Scratches, as you noted, and OB fouls are still fouls if playing all ball fouls. So too would be jumping the CB off the table but I can't imagine that happening.

Regards,
Jim

 

[jay helfert]

You originally offered to play me one pocket for whatever I wanted to play for.

Do you really need to change the game by adding Bank Pool?

JoeyA (can't wait to rip THE GINGERBREAD MAN a new one)

Now you're the one changing the game. We agreed to play a set of each at DCC. You must be getting senile.

Eat some more hi-protein dog biscuits please!

 

[Southpaw]

Almost. When playing all ball fouls, if the player pushing out should move an OB with his cue, or touch a ball with his clothing etc., that would be a foul and BIH for the opponent.

Only the rules about cushion contact are suspended for the push out.

Scratches, as you noted, and OB fouls are still fouls if playing all ball fouls. So too would be jumping the CB off the table but I can't imagine that happening.

Regards,
Jim

These are not examples of shooting any shots as I stated....

Southpaw

 

[Fatboy]

(Fatboy, you had to go and shove the pointed stick into the normally peaceful, sleeping dog, didn't ya?)

Hell yeah, I love to kick sleeping dogs. Now that the C players(I say this based on the poll that was posted yesterday) posted up and played for 3 dimes, what are you guys gonna do???

I posted up a brick and ran Tooth off, he ignored me the other night too, there is no bad blood between us though. I also played in the ring game and donated $3,000.

You guy's owe it to me, the C players and the entire AZ community to do something after all that BS a few months ago.


Justin from TAR will do up a good flyer with your names, pics, and everything, all you 2 guys have to do is post the $$$ and say when, were waiting....and sisce I lost $3,000 the C players bet $3,000 seems to me you guys are obligated to bet at least $3,000 of your own money, for some reason that is just the number these days, no phony $500 bets-that was the number in 1968.



Did I kick the dog too hard?????


If Jay wont step up, i'll flip you for $3,000. Just to be sure something happens. WOW now I really pissed in my Wheaties.

all in good fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[av84fun]

Here we go again. When he was plain old JoeyA it was bad enough. Now I have to worry about a "Devil Dog".
Same old, same old, Dog. 500 (or more) a set, One Pocket and Bank Pool. Step up when you need some more dog biscuits.

If you guys match up...we HAVE to get TAR to cover the event!! We should be able to raise enough money from AZers to make that happen!

Count me in for a hundred.

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[jay helfert]

If you guys match up...we HAVE to get TAR to cover the event!! We should be able to raise enough money from AZers to make that happen!

Count me in for a hundred.

(-:

Thanks Jim. I really shouldn't play Joey aka Devil Dog. He'll probably whip me like a step child. I don't want to be the next cubc. I wish Fatboy hadn't kicked him so hard. I was content to let sleeping dogs lie.

 

[av84fun]

These are not examples of shooting any shots as I stated....

Southpaw

You wrote..."You can shoot any shot on a push out as long as you do not scratch "

I was just pointing out that would not be true in a all ball fouls match.

Correct?

Regards,
Jim

 

[Southpaw]

You wrote..."You can shoot any shot on a push out as long as you do not scratch "

I was just pointing out that would not be true in a all ball fouls match.

Correct?

Regards,
Jim

toucing an object ball with your stick or clothing isnt an example of "shooting a shot", they are inadvertant fouls and are never allowed. So, I just dont see how they compare with being able to shoot any shot as long as you do not scratch...

Southpaw

 

[Fatboy]

Joey and others thanks for explaining the name to me, I seriously didnt know that name and its meaning.<-----serious post, post above is trash talk

 

[Fatboy]

Thanks Jim. I really shouldn't play Joey aka Devil Dog. He'll probably whip me like a step child. I don't want to be the next cubc. I wish Fatboy hadn't kicked him so hard. I was content to let sleeping dogs lie.

Sorry man, I'm just board. Since I cant play I might as well start $hit. I give up on my back, I talked to my dr today for 45 minutes, he was at a conference in Fl for a week, they are all clueless. I have been to 10 Drs on this problem, I'm gonna see a Chinese Dr but I aint gonna hold my breath. I'm giving up any hope for much anymore. Just the hand I was delt.

 

[TX Poolnut]

I've always understood that you would treat that situation like when he calls safety. The incoming player has the option of taking the table as it lays or pass it back regardless of what happens to the 1 or any other ball.

If you called pushout and accidently made the 9-ball, it would be spotted otherwise people would call pushout if they can see the 9 after the break, but can't see the lowest numbered ball. Just call pushout and shoot the 9 for the win. Not! That's how I've understood it.

Now bar rules are a whole 'nother ball of wax.

 

[JoeyA]

Now you're the one changing the game. We agreed to play a set of each at DCC. You must be getting senile.

Eat some more hi-protein dog biscuits please!

I remember this:
Originally Posted by jay helfertYou like my soft action after that game at the Open. I played pretty good with a crooked house cue didn't I. I'm dead out of stroke, but I will bring my cue to this party. You got a game!

P.S. How about two games of One Pocket for a hundred a game and then two games of full rack Banks for a hundred a game. Fair is fair, after all. You know now you're the better One Pocket player.
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And JoeyA responded with this:
The last time we played one pocket, I we played for hours and I won just enough to pay the time and buy a coke, so that game is written in stone. I like to play at least a few games. Let's race to 4 for $200. That's friendly enough.

Here's the Big Easy Compromise: If I win the one pocket match (which isn't likely especially if you have a straight stick), I play you a race to 4 short banks for the same $200. Your specialty and we all know you will steal that money.
JoeyA

Do you remember this?
JoeyA

 

[jay helfert]

I remember this:
Originally Posted by jay helfertYou like my soft action after that game at the Open. I played pretty good with a crooked house cue didn't I. I'm dead out of stroke, but I will bring my cue to this party. You got a game!

P.S. How about two games of One Pocket for a hundred a game and then two games of full rack Banks for a hundred a game. Fair is fair, after all. You know now you're the better One Pocket player.
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And JoeyA responded with this:
The last time we played one pocket, I we played for hours and I won just enough to pay the time and buy a coke, so that game is written in stone. I like to play at least a few games. Let's race to 4 for $200. That's friendly enough.

Here's the Big Easy Compromise: If I win the one pocket match (which isn't likely especially if you have a straight stick), I play you a race to 4 short banks for the same $200. Your specialty and we all know you will steal that money.
JoeyA

Do you remember this?
JoeyA

I think I'll just let sleeping Devil Dogs lie.
When I see you somewhere we can match up, or not.

 

[Rickey]

Joey,You coming to White Diamonds in June??Maybe we'll have round #2.

Rickey

 

[PoolBum]

Player A breaks makes the two ball on the break but is hooked on the 1 ball which is hanging near the side pocket. In an effort to get a better position on the one ball, Player A calls PUSH-OUT and then accidentally knocks in the 1 ball.

WHAT HAPPENS?

Devil Dog

Did he pocket the 1 ball with the cueball, or did he accidentally pocket it in some other way?

I don't know the rule but I would guess that if he pocketed the 1 ball on an otherwise legal push-out and they are playing cueball only fouls, then it stays pocketed and the shot is treated like any other push-out, with the incoming player having the choice of taking the next shot or passing it back.

If he pocketed the 1 ball other than as a result of the push-out itself (i.e., if he inadvertently knocked in the 1 ball with his stick or something like that) and they are playing cueball only fouls then I would think either (1) if no ball came near to where the 1 ball was laying then the incoming player would have the choice of putting the 1 ball back in its spot, or leaving it down, or (2) if the cueball or another ball did come near to where the 1 ball was laying then this is a foul and the incoming player has ball in hand.

If they are playing all ball fouls and the 1 ball was pocketed inadvertently and not as a result of the push-out then it is ball in hand for the incoming player.

I'll probably be wrong, but that's my guess.

 

[av84fun]

toucing an object ball with your stick or clothing isnt an example of "shooting a shot", they are inadvertant fouls and are never allowed. So, I just dont see how they compare with being able to shoot any shot as long as you do not scratch...

Southpaw

I don't mean to split hairs...but you're missing the point. To explain it in another way, I would re-write your comments as follows:

You can shoot any shot on a push out as long as you do not scratch or commit any other foul not suspended by the push out rules.

For example, under all ball fouls rules, if you call a push, move the cue ball without scratching but your stick contacts an OB...which IS part of the "shot" ...just as scratching after the shot itself has been physically completed...and you would give up BIH to the opponent.

Under CB fouls only, your comment was correct as written. I was only cautioning that under all ball foul rules, your comment was incomplete as written which is why I wrote..."Almost" in reference to your post...assuming all ball fouls.

I reiterate the rules:

WSR
If no foul is committed on a push out, the other player chooses who will shoot next.

BCA

On a push out, the cue ball is not required to con-tact any object ball nor any rail, but all other foul rules still apply.
Regards,
Jim

 

[av84fun]

Did he pocket the 1 ball with the cueball, or did he accidentally pocket it in some other way?

I don't know the rule but I would guess that if he pocketed the 1 ball on an otherwise legal push-out and they are playing cueball only fouls, then it stays pocketed and the shot is treated like any other push-out, with the incoming player having the choice of taking the next shot or passing it back.

If he pocketed the 1 ball other than as a result of the push-out itself (i.e., if he inadvertently knocked in the 1 ball with his stick or something like that) and they are playing cueball only fouls then I would think either (1) if no ball came near to where the 1 ball was laying then the incoming player would have the choice of putting the 1 ball back in its spot, or leaving it down, or (2) if the cueball or another ball did come near to where the 1 ball was laying then this is a foul and the incoming player has ball in hand.
If they are playing all ball fouls and the 1 ball was pocketed inadvertently and not as a result of the push-out then it is ball in hand for the incoming player.

I'll probably be wrong, but that's my guess.

I believe you are correct and the bolded part of your comment is another example in my exchange with Southpaw wherein...even under CB fouls only rules, a scratch is not the only way to give up BIH on a push out.


And there is yet another way although I'm not sure which refs would or wouldn;t call it. I have seen players simply tap the CB when it came to rest after the break in an excellent push out position...just like they do when they want to take an intentional foul.

Most but not all players will take a legal shot and just move the CB an inch.

But doing the former is a foul on any shot...including a push out and should be called as such. Whether it would be or not is a different story.



Regards,
Jim

 

[Southpaw]

I don't mean to split hairs...but you're missing the point. To explain it in another way, I would re-write your comments as follows:

You can shoot any shot on a push out as long as you do not scratch or commit any other foul not suspended by the push out rules.

For example, under all ball fouls rules, if you call a push, move the cue ball without scratching but your stick contacts an OB...which IS part of the "shot" ...just as scratching after the shot itself has been physically completed...and you would give up BIH to the opponent.

Under CB fouls only, your comment was correct as written. I was only cautioning that under all ball foul rules, your comment was incomplete as written which is why I wrote..."Almost" in reference to your post...assuming all ball fouls.

I reiterate the rules:

WSR
If no foul is committed on a push out, the other player chooses who will shoot next.

BCA

On a push out, the cue ball is not required to con-tact any object ball nor any rail, but all other foul rules still apply.
Regards,
Jim

I guess I just didnt feel the need to mention those fouls since common sense should tell you that inadvertant fouls are not legal shots.

Southpaw

 

[Pushout]

I've always understood that you would treat that situation like when he calls safety.

???? I don't get what you're talking about, here. It's not necessary to call safe in 9 ball. If you call safety and make a ball in 8 ball or Straight pool, the ball comes up.