Push-Out after the break.
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jay helfert said:I think I'll just let sleeping Devil Dogs lie.
When I see you somewhere we can match up, or not.
I noticed that you didn't respond to my post about what you previously posted and what I countered with.
You know Jay, the one pocket game we played at the U.S. OPen 9 Ball Championship was a fair game. It was extremely close even with you using a crooked cue. We only played for a couple of hours and I came out one or two games on top with you using a crooked sneaky pete.
You said you hadn't been playing much and were out of stroke and I could tell you were a little rusty and I don't doubt your word for a minute. I know with a little practice on your home table and a decent stick, you could easily be the favorite at a long set of one pocket.
You even have another big advantage over me now that you have a new Diamond table at your house, you can stay in stroke.
Truly, I wish I knew how to play banks but since I don't play banks and you're practically a professional banker, one would think that you wouldn't want to take advantage of me and that you would take the high road and just offer to play a nice long set of one pocket for whatever I want to play for.
In summary:
Don't be scared about playing an honest, even-up, long set of one pocket because it is the fair thing.
I realize that I may not be able to win at that, especially with the practice you are getting on the table at your home and the promise that you will have a good cue to play with next time.
JoeyA (Let the bettors beware)
JoeyA said:I noticed that you didn't respond to my post about what you previously posted and what I countered with.
You know Jay, the one pocket game we played at the U.S. OPen 9 Ball Championship was a fair game. It was extremely close even with you using a crooked cue. We only played for a couple of hours and I came out one or two games on top with you using a crooked sneaky pete.
You said you hadn't been playing much and were out of stroke and I could tell you were a little rusty and I don't doubt your word for a minute. I know with a little practice on your home table and a decent stick, you could easily be the favorite at a long set of one pocket.
You even have another big advantage over me now that you have a new Diamond table at your house, you can stay in stroke.
Truly, I wish I knew how to play banks but since I don't play banks and you're practically a professional banker, one would think that you wouldn't want to take advantage of me and that you would take the high road and just offer to play a nice long set of one pocket for whatever I want to play for.
In summary:
Don't be scared about playing an honest, even-up, long set of one pocket because it is the fair thing.
I realize that I may not be able to win at that, especially with the practice you are getting on the table at your home and the promise that you will have a good cue to play with next time.
JoeyA (Let the bettors beware)
Man, you are good at the "soft sell". You almost had me convinced. I think I know why the Bank Pool game got dropped from the rotation, after we had agreed to play one set of each. No problem Joey. Like I said, we can match up when we run into each other. OR NOT!
This is a good situation where the rules are pretty clear, but apparently aren't clear enough. I think in the old 2-shout rollout rules, things would have been different. But, that isn't how it's played today.JoeyA said:
The rule today states that you must call a pushout and that if you don't clearly announce it, then that means it's a normal shot you're playing. If you call "pushout" then you are in pushout mode, not normal shot mode. And PUSHOUT MODE means that it doesn't matter if you do or don't hit any object ball or cushion, so by the rules as written, there is no such thing as "making a legal shot" or "pocketing a legal ball" in PUSHOUT MODE.
Also, the rules state that any ball made in a pushout stay down just like normal in 9-ball as the rules are written today.
So, long and short (as far as today's rules are concerned):
Incoming player's decision to shoot or pass, with the player looking at the table as it lays shooting for the next lowest ball on the table now that the one ball is in the pocket.
Fred
Pushout said:
What TXPoolNut is saying is that by calling a Pushout in 9-ball, hitting the lowest numbered ball and pocketing it (or any ball) is treated the same as if he was playing 8-ball and called a safety and made a hit on his ball and pocketed one of his ball. And he's correct. That's how the rule is written.
And you're not correct. In 8-ball, all balls stay down. Straight pool, you are correct, balls that are not legally pocketed (by the definition of legally pocketed balls) do get spotted.
Cornerman said:
Fred, with respect, the comment in bold, is simply not correct. The ONLY rule suspended during "push out mode" is the ball to rail rule. As I posted above, both WSR and BCA rules make it clear that ALL other fouls remain in effect.
I have noted a few examples and here's another. Say the CB is a quarter inch from an OB and the player pushing out wishes to send the OB to the opposite end of the table and leave the CB where it is.
But if the player should double tap the CB when executing the shot, that would be an "illegal shot" by rule...should be called as such with BIH being awarded to the opponent.
Regards,
Jim
I understand what you're saying, Jim, and I knew no matter what I wrote up there, there would be confusion.av84fun said:
"Making a legal shot" and "legally pocketing a ball" are specifically addressed by SEction 1.19 in the general rules, which address ball to rail ruling. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about other fouls that have nothing to with a legal shot. So, we're on the same page, but I could have been more clear, considering how unclear this rule apparently is.
Fred
I understand the proper rulling, but it is funny that the push out rule is so often misunderstood, I play in a weekly tournament where the "correct" interpretation of a push out is to move the cue ball anywhere, as long as it doesn't contact the lowest number ball first. I have no idea where they came up with this from, but it cracks me up either way.