Push Shot

The modern interpretation of the rule is that the cue tip cannot be in contact with the cue-ball for more than a few milliseconds for the shot to be legal.

The shown shot is now illegal, but was legal in the distant past. It is explained in Byrne's book "Pool and Billiards".

BCA Rule 1.30: It is a foul to use a push shot.

Anyone have an accurate date as to when the rules changed?
 
My local apa site had a pretty active forum and "push shot" was to it what CTE is here. I like all of the various made up rules in different locales as to how to make a legal hit on close or frozen balls.
 
DallasHopps said:
My local apa site had a pretty active forum and "push shot" was to it what CTE is here. I like all of the various made up rules in different locales as to how to make a legal hit on close or frozen balls.
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Neil has it correct.

Cue ball frozen to the object ball, you may take a legal stroke right through the two of them.

Cue ball not frozen to an object ball, beware of the double hit.
Two different rules.
randyg
 
DallasHopps said:
My local apa site had a pretty active forum and "push shot" was to it what CTE is here. I like all of the various made up rules in different locales as to how to make a legal hit on close or frozen balls.
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I agree will you totally. The same thing happens down here. My rule of thumb ....

NEVER FOLLOW ANY APA RULE .... THEY ALL SUCK ..... MADE UP FOR PLAYERS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY ...
 
8pack said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_R4zDMXNXk&feature=youtu.be

Is it legal or not?I for one think its an illegal shot and sure wouldnt want to try it on some one.
Bert has a lot of good instructional stuff but he often has me scratching my head and thinking are you serious.
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The shot shown in the video looks illegal. In general you can take a normal stroke towards an object ball the cue ball is frozen to. The stroke shown is not normal. The shot shown is without a backstroke, so the tip is brought up to touch the cue ball and then is pushed forward. That's very, very different from a normal stroke. In fact, it is a classic demo of an illegal push.

I wish people would stop teaching bogus shots as legal. I'd ignore whatever the video creator has to say about legal/not legal.
 
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Thanks...

randyg said:
Neil has it correct.

Cue ball frozen to the object ball, you may take a legal stroke right through the two of them.

Cue ball not frozen to an object ball, beware of the double hit.
Two different rules.
randyg
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The APA solution (at least locally, this month) is that you have to shoot jacked up, or at a wide angle away from the line of the two frozen balls... stroke through and you'll be called for a bad hit every time. I make it work-
 
Push shot

MitchAlsup said:
The modern interpretation of the rule is that the cue tip cannot be in contact with the cue-ball for more than a few milliseconds for the shot to be legal.

The shown shot is now illegal, but was legal in the distant past. It is explained in Byrne's book "Pool and Billiards".

BCA Rule 1.30: It is a foul to use a push shot.

Anyone have an accurate date as to when the rules changed?
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Simple and concise. The kind of answers I like!
The shot shown is clearly illegal. Sadly though, there is much confusion about the difference between a push shot and a double-hit. Add to this the "push out" and you will confuse every novice in the world!

Donny L
BCA/ACS Instructor
Gainesville, Fl
 
Neil said:
And here, the rule is as long as they are within about an inch or so, you can do whatever you want to and no double hit will be called.:confused::eek::eek::rolleyes:
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So, if you're playing one pocket, and your opponent has left you nearly frozen on the wrong side of the rack, you can shoot at break-shot speed towards his pocket and do the famous Mass Take Out? Or is that rule just used in bar league?
 
calcwby4u said:
I agree will you totally. The same thing happens down here. My rule of thumb ....

NEVER FOLLOW ANY APA RULE .... THEY ALL SUCK ..... MADE UP FOR PLAYERS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY ...
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Funny you should say that, as the in the APA a "push shot" IS legal. It is defined exactly as Neil and Randy have defined it. When the cue ball is frozen to the object ball, you can stroke straight through with a normal stroke. However, the APA doesn't come right out and list it as a rule. Rather, you must look in their glossary for the term push shot. They say that there is controversy about the rule, and push shots will not be called fouls in the APA.

Calcwby4u, since it is an APA rule, it is a shame that you won't be able to take advantage of this...lots of creative throw shots are possible.

KMRUNOUT
 
DallasHopps said:
The APA solution (at least locally, this month) is that you have to shoot jacked up, or at a wide angle away from the line of the two frozen balls... stroke through and you'll be called for a bad hit every time. I make it work-
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Dallas, you sure about that? What you describe is the national APA rule for balls that are a chalk's width apart or less but NOT touching. They observe it exactly as you describe in Vegas, except replace "frozen" with "less than a chalk's width apart but not touching".

We have adopted this Vegas rule in my area. Of course, you can violate this rule in a variety of ways and NOT foul in reality. You can also follow the rule and still foul. The APA logic is that their rules must be easy to enforce and consistent. So having clear guidelines takes priority over reality in some cases. I can't say this is totally unreasonable, but it is a bit disappointing.

KMRUNOUT
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Dallas, you sure about that? What you describe is the national APA rule for balls that are a chalk's width apart or less but NOT touching. They observe it exactly as you describe in Vegas, except replace "frozen" with "less than a chalk's width apart but not touching".

We have adopted this Vegas rule in my area. Of course, you can violate this rule in a variety of ways and NOT foul in reality. You can also follow the rule and still foul. The APA logic is that their rules must be easy to enforce and consistent. So having clear guidelines takes priority over reality in some cases. I can't say this is totally unreasonable, but it is a bit disappointing.

KMRUNOUT
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What is a Vegas rule? lol Pool needs one set of rules for all leagues to follow every league I have played in has used the push shot rule and its always about a cube of chalk widths apart but not frozen.
 
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