Putting a Predator or OB-1 Shaft on custom?
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BPG24
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It hasn't caused me to change the way I aim, or the path of the cue ball. At least it didn't when I had a modified Predator...
Searing did the work, so maybe he knows something that allows the deflection to stay down, and still add the feel... Really not sure exactly what he did to it
Searing did the work, so maybe he knows something that allows the deflection to stay down, and still add the feel... Really not sure exactly what he did to it
as far as i know a tenon has to be added in the hollow,and the tenon adds weight to the front and weight is a key component of deflection.you would need the robot to tell such a small increase in deflection.if it increased .10" on a 5 foot long shot,i really don't think you could tell.,nor do i think it would actually affect the shot.a human or say most humans are not accurate enough for that minute increase in deflection to make a difference,which actually goes back to the original difference of opinions.that is really all this discussion is anyway,opinions.
dave sutton
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masonh said:
mason there was no foam in my shaft just a huge long hole. plus the wall on the ferrule was so thin it was crazy. it was a capped ferrule with the tenon cut out of the shaft. there was epoxy filling the front of that hole. no part of the ferrule was in sine of the shaft. it wasnt threaded in. just slipped no grooves nothing
no wonder they were falling off. thats why they switched from titan and did the recall. (from what i hear)
219Dave said:
Hi Guys,
I'm the original poster here. I really didn't want to turn this into a long debate on whether or not you guys like Predators shaft, OB1 shafts etc. Those of you who commented here that that is a long, tired, played out debate are right. I have no more desire to read that debate than I do another on on the relative merits of CNC.
What I was trying to ask in my post, and maybe wasn't clear enough, is IF YOU TAKE AS A GIVEN THAT A CUSTOMER PLAYS WITH, SAY, A 314-2, AND TAKE AS A GIVEN THAT HE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO, then, at that point, is a custom with a 314-2 going to play better than a Viking or McDermott or other decent production cue with a 314-2 on it?
Let's say I have heard good things about, say, Keith Josey sneakies (and I've heard a ton of great things). I see on his site that I can order them with a 314-2 on it. Is that going to hit much different than my Viking with a 314-2?
I apologize if I didn't make my original post clear enough, and apologize for the all caps above as well.
Thanks for all of your input, and sorry if I've started another flame war on an issue that's been debated to death.
David
Oh yeah---GO PATS!!!!
Preds have .250" hole by 5 inches deep.BPG24 said:
IF someone made a shaft with a .275" hole by 5 inches deep and had no ferrule, only a pad and tip, have lower end-mass, and had lower cueball squirt, would you buy it?
dave sutton
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the bore in mine was like .400 not 250 but it was deep as hellJoeyInCali said:
no i wouldnt buy* it
and its called ob 1
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219Dave said:
I would say that it is very likely that it would play some what different with a Predator shaft on the Josey as opposed to the Viking. In all likelihood, the Predator shaft that would go on to the Viking would be a finished shaft, aftermarket purchase, and would have the standard Predator taper on a Viking butt. In the case of the Josey butt with a Predator shaft...well, Keith would likely hand-pick a shaft blank that felt like it would be suitable for your butt...weight/balance...and then add a bit more of the Josey taper to the shaft, thereby helping it to play more like a Josey cue plays.
I have to say though...if I were going to spend the extra money for the Predator shaft.....for the roughly the same amount of money, I would go with one of Keith's Timeless Timber shafts instead....but that is me, and I have owned a Josey fancy pete...outstanding players, to be sure.
Lisa
Hi David,
You asked your original question correctly. Unfortunately, your thread was 'hi-jacked', which happens a lot around here, by a few who feel that their opinions are more important than answering your question. We now have 12 pages of evidence to that. While apologies may be in order, they certainly shouldn't be made by you.
The short answer to your question is, yes, the cue will hit differently but bare in mind that 'hit' is subjective to the person 'hitting' the cue. Any cue will become more accurate with the addition of a performance shaft once the player learns how to use it.
You asked your original question correctly. Unfortunately, your thread was 'hi-jacked', which happens a lot around here, by a few who feel that their opinions are more important than answering your question. We now have 12 pages of evidence to that. While apologies may be in order, they certainly shouldn't be made by you.
The short answer to your question is, yes, the cue will hit differently but bare in mind that 'hit' is subjective to the person 'hitting' the cue. Any cue will become more accurate with the addition of a performance shaft once the player learns how to use it.
Assuming a similar weight and balance, the difference will be VERY SLIGHT. Look at it this way.... Pool is largely mental anyway, so assuming decent equipment, the actual effect equipment has on play is already a small percentage. The very large percentage of that small percentage is the shaft and tip. What you are left with is almost irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. This is not to say that you shouldn't get exactly what you want, but the differences are going to be largely psychological, and cosmetic. Assuming quality construction, and specs that agree with you, there is almost nothing you could put behind your favorite shaft that you couldn't adjust to very quickly and easily. Your original question is not easily answered, because only YOU can decide whether it's a waste or not to have the cue you want. People put $5K worth of wheels on their cars, when the ones they bought it with are perfectly fine. Is this a waste? Or is it ok because it makes them happy, and keeps the tire shop in business?219Dave said:
Sheldon <---- plays with an oil-finished sneaky pete.
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219Dave said:
Unfortunately Dave some people can't get over personal opinions on the matter... Some of us are only interested in facts on the subject.
Until one of the people who dislike Predators do something that proves their tests to be wrong the debate will continue...
Hopefully you got enough info to make your choice. By the way I played with a Josey with a 314 on it and loved it... It was an older Josey before he went to the radial pin.
Facts? What facts? The question was totally subjective, and open to opinion. Maybe if you weren't so defensive of your precious robot test, the discussion wouldn't have evolved into the pissing match it did. Besides that, what does disliking predator shafts, and disproving their test have to do with anything? If you don't like the shaft, what would you care about their testing? The only reason to even consider it, is if you've never played with one, and have no opinion to begin with.BPG24 said:
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