Putting a Predator or OB-1 Shaft on custom?

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JoeyInCali said:
More stable.

Pred's ferrules is just a thin walled light and soft ferrule.
Mocchi has light and thin too but has a large gap under the cap.
No bored hole down the shaft though.
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the thin ferrules are the reason they splice their shafts????

You are really confusing me now
 
masonh said:
one reason is that they can use incredibly cheap maple,basically scrap wood and make a $200 shaft out of it that is basically solid.i do buy into the fact that radially laminated shafts may give a more consistent,repetitive hit than a cheap low grade piece of Maple.there is Maple out there that is just as consistent as the laminated stuff though,imo.
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Now you are hitting on the point I have been making this whole time...

Take QUALITY shaftwood, and laminate it the same way a Predator does, add on the ferrule system you think is best and you have a winner... Best of both worlds

right?
 
i like the hit of plain Maple.to me most laminated shafts feel dead.it would most likely be a waste of quality shaftwood for me.by Predator splicing the cheap wood together they actually make a stable solid piece of wood.they in effect don't need quality Maple.i have hand picked a few over the years and i used to like the ones that are all spline.in other words every laminate has a Maple spline in it.
 
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I believe Joey left us, i was really hoping to hear him explain what he meant about the thin walled ferrules
 
1.3" is total deflection,not difference.you have misread the test.for instance an Action cue has 1.58" of total deflection compared to the Pred 314-2 which has 1.30".as you can see the difference is minimal.
 
the test are misleading.for example you and countless others thought that the Predator deflects 1.3" less than other cues,which woul dbe a sizeable difference,but now you can see that we are talking about 1/10ths of inches,fractions.i also want to point out again the cues they are comparing the Predator to,it is hardly stiff competition.again it is a misleading test.i would like to see them compare it to 10 cuemakers shafts set up for low deflection of my choice and i bet the difference would be slim to none.
 
Ok, so it's still -20.4% better than the test average though...

With a Viking being about the test average... They are American made. Is there shaft wood POOR QUALITY???

20% is big difference IMO
 
You said that you do buy the fact that radial laminated wood would be more consistant than low grade maple...

So ..................if you took High grade maple and radially laminated it, you should see improvement still.... Yes?


that is why I want a quality shaft made this way
 
% doesn't matter .3" is always .3".it is a quarter of an inch and yes i think some American cuemakers use cheap shaftwood.i don't think 20+ rpi and dead straight grain is high on their list.it probably isn't on their list at all.
 
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i can't say for sure.you should buy a real nice Maple board and see if Dominiak will build you one out of it.you have to think though that after all the shafts he and Pred have made the surely 8 or 10 pieces of good maple landed in the same shaft at one point.you just have to find the guy that has it.
 
you're chasing the dragon man,you will never catch it.just stick with what you like and don't worry about all the other stuff.
 
Ok, well a Schon which most people believe to be the standard of production cues deflects 1.76 inches over 4 feet
The 314-2 deflects 1.3 inches over 4 feet... That's a fairly big difference

If the shot is 8 feet in distance, which comes up alot. The difference between the 2 shafts double. Making almost a whole inch difference... That is where most paople tell a difference in Predators vs standard maple shafts,,, Right? Because if you are using english the path of the cue ball is changed by almost a whole inch, so then would be the place that you aim
 
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i don't see why me wanting a quality version of a 314 should be such a problem.

Surely someone can do it...


As for mr. Dominiak.... There is a thread on his cues currently in the main forum on page 1....
 
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you keep changing cues on me.i used Action originally and they deflect less than a quarter inch over 4 feet.that isn't much and i am sure most here will agree that Action is a cheap production cue.look at the Axion it is only .15" more than the original Predator.does that mean that Action and Axiom are more accurate or better then SW.this deflection stuff is hype.look at the test.do you really think .15" is going to make you more accurate?even Effren and all the pros have margin of error in their stroke and i bet it is more than .15".
 
During the winter of 1996 I had a shop in Columbus Oh. and the fellow who managed Cornfed Reds at the time, George Fleetwood ( George the Dog) of Detroit, who by the way was a very good player and instructor and who's wife Michell Adams, who was a womans touring Pro at the time, came back from a trip to Detroit with a half a dozen Predator shafts. While in Detroit he ran into the inventor of the Predator shaft, who he had grown up with (Steve Titus). Steve gave George 3 shafts for himself and 3 for his wife to try out. George told me that Steve had told him that they made the Predator out of laminations as a selling point. They didn't think the shaft would sell just on it's low deflection ability alone. They pushed that by having the laminations that the cue would have the same spine no matter how it was oriented in your hand. That was the main selling point at the time.

All shafts deflect the cue-ball somewhat. Some more than others is all. I believe it is one of Newton's laws that causes this reaction and it is this same law that is the basis of Predators lower deflection. Here is a chart showing the amount of deflection that was encountered on a number of different shafts.
http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php

Dick
 
masonh said:
you keep changing cues on me.i used Action originally and they deflect less than a quarter inch over 4 feet.that isn't much and i am sure most here will agree that Action is a cheap production cue.look at the Axion it is only .15" more than the original Predator.does that mean that Action and Axiom are more accurate or better then SW.this deflection stuff is hype.look at the test.do you really think .15" is going to make you more accurate?even Effren and all the pros have margin of error in their stroke and i bet it is more than .15".
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I changed to a Schon because it's the most respected name on the list IMO

But you see what I mean about there being almost 1 inch difference on an 8 foot shot

Think about how big 1 inch is when aiming... I mean a ball is what 2 1/8 inches or something like that
 
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