Question about betting

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Rickw

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If you are side-betting how much if any should you give to the player if you win money? Would 10% be okay? Again, this is a side-bet not backing someone. My experience has been that side-bettors don't give the players money because the players are either backed by someone or they're playing on their own money.

Another question, if you are backing someone, what's the appropriate distribution of the money should you win? Most of the time, at least where I live, it's usually 50/50 but I have heard that the backer sometimes get's more like 60 or 70%. It seems to me that the backer should get more because he/she is taking all the risks.
 
Rickw said:
If you are side-betting how much if any should you give to the player if you win money?
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LOL, you've opened up a can of worms on this one sunshine. :p

I'm going to make a guess as to how this goes... people from the "old school" train of thought are going to say that you throw the player some jelly, a bone, whatever one wants to call it.

The younger guys (lets hope TBA doesn't slip back in for this thread) are going to say "hell no".

;)
 
Lead the horse with a carrot not a stick!

Rickw said:
If you are side-betting how much if any should you give to the player if you win money? Would 10% be okay? Again, this is a side-bet not backing someone. My experience has been that side-bettors don't give the players money because the players are either backed by someone or they're playing on their own money.

Another question, if you are backing someone, what's the appropriate distribution of the money should you win? Most of the time, at least where I live, it's usually 50/50 but I have heard that the backer sometimes get's more like 60 or 70%. It seems to me that the backer should get more because he/she is taking all the risks.
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Sidebets: A few years back I won my first match at the California State 9 Ball at the Bicycle Club Casino, and an individual gave me $100 for winning the set! I said, "What is this for?" He said, "For playing great and making me a dime!"
All I can say is I went undefeated until the final day of the 1st event and was 'tipped' over $500 by the time the 9 day, double event affair, was over! :eek: It changed my opinion about sweaters, sidebets, pool aficionados and players. Since then I've done the same, 10 percent for the horse! :)
Stakehorses: 50/50 for small stakes, 60/40 medium action and on the road gambling, 70/30 very high stakes (and I have seen very little of this) Of course, this is all a matter of agreement. :D
 
Ive never thought it neccesary to give someone you are betting on a cut. Its a very nice gesture, and if you are wanting to do so, go for it.
If you turned them on to some action then yes they should give YOU a cut.
Ive never had anyone give me money for playing without having a wager with me. Again.... very nice gesture, but not expected.
A friend of mine turned me on to a game back in February and I threw him about 20% of the night for his steer. In those sort of cases (someone telling you about action) I believe whole heartedly in throwing them a bone, its pretty much tradition.
On the other point about staking someone, Ive never put up my cash for less than 60%.
Chuck
 
Personally, I don't have a problem giving a player approximately 10% of what I win. However, I don't gamble all that high. Therefore, I'd feel a bit strange handing someone a dollar and saying thanks. I'm more likely to buy them a few beers or dinner over the course of a week.
 
If there are no extra expenses involved (travel,lodging etc.) it's only wise to give your horse the same deal as there opponent could. IMO it's not even the players buisness what a sweater won, any "jelly" recieved is a bonus.
 
Having Ben Franklin shake your hand is pretty cool. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's not a bad thing. Just an acknowledgement and a show of respect.

Keep doing what you're doing...
 
Rickw said:
If you are side-betting how much if any should you give to the player if you win money? Would 10% be okay? Again, this is a side-bet not backing someone. My experience has been that side-bettors don't give the players money because the players are either backed by someone or they're playing on their own money.

Another question, if you are backing someone, what's the appropriate distribution of the money should you win? Most of the time, at least where I live, it's usually 50/50 but I have heard that the backer sometimes get's more like 60 or 70%. It seems to me that the backer should get more because he/she is taking all the risks.
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There's nothing that says you have to give money to the player in this case. It's a nice gesture, and one that would gain respect among the players, but not a requirement by any set of etiquette rules (that I know of).
 
Sharing with the player on side bets is not required but is a good and appreciative thing to do.

People who don't share side bet winnings also probably don't tip blackjack and craps dealers when they wil in Vegas.
 
You crack me up!

I guess every once in a while it's nice to have some worms crawling around on this board don't ya think?

My inclination is to throw a bone if I've won some serious money. If I won 10 or 20 I probably wouldn't. Several of us at the local ph got into this discussion and I told them I'd throw it out here to see what the consensus is.

Yeah those damn kids anyway!! LOL!!



Timberly said:
LOL, you've opened up a can of worms on this one sunshine. :p

I'm going to make a guess as to how this goes... people from the "old school" train of thought are going to say that you throw the player some jelly, a bone, whatever one wants to call it.

The younger guys (lets hope TBA doesn't slip back in for this thread) are going to say "hell no".

;)
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Thanks!

Good post!! If I won a dime off someone I'd definitely throw a bone too! That just seems like the right thing to do.


Tarantula said:
Sidebets: A few years back I won my first match at the California State 9 Ball at the Bicycle Club Casino, and an individual gave me $100 for winning the set! I said, "What is this for?" He said, "For playing great and making me a dime!"
All I can say is I went undefeated until the final day of the 1st event and was 'tipped' over $500 by the time the 9 day, double event affair, was over! :eek: It changed my opinion about sweaters, sidebets, pool aficionados and players. Since then I've done the same, 10 percent for the horse! :)
Stakehorses: 50/50 for small stakes, 60/40 medium action and on the road gambling, 70/30 very high stakes (and I have seen very little of this) Of course, this is all a matter of agreement. :D
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Exactly

Jimmy M. said:
There's nothing that says you have to give money to the player in this case. It's a nice gesture, and one that would gain respect among the players, but not a requirement by any set of etiquette rules (that I know of).
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This is exactly why I asked the question because I feel the same as you, I've never heard of any rule regarding tipping the horse when you're betting on the side. Heck, the players may not even know you have a bet on the game.
 
Rickw said:
I guess every once in a while it's nice to have some worms crawling around on this board don't ya think?

My inclination is to throw a bone if I've won some serious money. If I won 10 or 20 I probably wouldn't. Several of us at the local ph got into this discussion and I told them I'd throw it out here to see what the consensus is.

Yeah those damn kids anyway!! LOL!!
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I started out in an "old school" of thought area and to me, that's how pool should be when it comes to betting. Obviously if you've only won a small amount it's not worth it. I always understood it to be that when you won a large sum of money off someone's labor on the pool table, you threw them a bone. The reason you won that money in the 1st place is because of them. It doesn't hurt to throw a bone... it can only help you down the road should you ever need help. ;)
 
If you REALLY want to see a surprised player.....grease the guy that loses!:D

I did this once while working at the pool room. These guys played ALL day and quit with one guy up "1" set for $50. When the "loser" came up to pay, I told him.....for get it, I got your time, it was a lot of fun to watch. I never told him I was betting against him;)

Gerry
 
I think 10% is just fine. A side better has no obligation but you can bet that a little jelly goes a LONG way with the player. It really doesn't have to be much. It is certainly appreciated and those that think it isn't enough...tough. :-)

Staking someone? The stake horse should get 60-70% of the cheese, drinks and pick up the time only if it is appropriate. 50% is too taxing for most stake horses as they seldom get ahead. With 2/3 of the money they stand a chance of making a dollar or two. I would play a match for anyone if they put up all of the money and I would be thrilled to get 33% of the profits. I mean, the stake horse needs to find the opponent, make the spot and I play if he is sure that I have a chance of winning. Good golly, you get to play a match that you wouldn't normally play, enjoy some competition, make a little money in the process. How can you argue with that? I guess some that play pool for a living might want more and I couldn't blame them for wanting more but pool players should be more realistic. If they accepted smaller payouts they would play more often and if most pool players are like me, they enjoy the action more than the actual money. Play more often, win smaller amounts of money in the end I think the everyone is better off. Just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions......
JoeyA


Rickw said:
If you are side-betting how much if any should you give to the player if you win money? Would 10% be okay? Again, this is a side-bet not backing someone. My experience has been that side-bettors don't give the players money because the players are either backed by someone or they're playing on their own money.

Another question, if you are backing someone, what's the appropriate distribution of the money should you win? Most of the time, at least where I live, it's usually 50/50 but I have heard that the backer sometimes get's more like 60 or 70%. It seems to me that the backer should get more because he/she is taking all the risks.
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Heres one that happened at my pool room I play at. What would you do in this situation??
The room closes at 2:00 A.M.. The guy behind the counter closed the doors but let the players play all night until 10:00. A.M. in the morning. One guy wins $10,000.00...He tips the guy who stayed there, serving sodas and water and food, etc., all night so they could gamble, $100.00....Do you think that is enough????
Then the next day the owner finds out about the big score and tells the $10,000.00 winner he wants a cut or don't come back and gamble there anymore.....
Curious to the responses.......This really happened.....
 
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