Question about Cue Balls
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ajohnson13 said:
The red circle is made from a phenolic resin designed for carom billiards, blue circle is a pool specific resin.
You can get more action on the cueball with the red circle and it's also a touch lighter. They're both top shelf balls and adjusting to either one can be done in about five minutes of warm-up.
Fats
IMHO, Centennial Cue Ball is tops in feel (blue dot I think). It's a more solid feeling hit, and takes a bit more muscle to move around, but you can also finnesse it more. The SS one, I think it has a little loop joining them in the middle? I don't know the maker of it, but have played with one. Bit lighter in feel, and seems smaller when paired with Centennials or other high-end sets. The "measles" ball, is fairly close to the Centennial cue ball in feel and matching of high-end sets, I played with one only a couple of games (against Ewa on a 8ft table) but it seemed to move the same way. Red Dot hits nice (don't know the maker off-hand) but seems to have less mass when hit.
There is also a red triangle, which to me was pretty similar to the SS ball, maybe a hair easier to push around. That one felt "cheap", I guess. Hard to explain something you feel with the nerves of your hands and arms when you contact the ball, but cheap would be close. The Centennial felt "solid" in comparrison.
There is also a red triangle, which to me was pretty similar to the SS ball, maybe a hair easier to push around. That one felt "cheap", I guess. Hard to explain something you feel with the nerves of your hands and arms when you contact the ball, but cheap would be close. The Centennial felt "solid" in comparrison.
Why doesn't the cue ball's greater elasticity affect both balls equally during impact? Why doesn't it push the object ball forward as much as the cue ball backward?
pj
chgo
Calling Dr. Dave, Dr. Dave, Dr. Dave...
Isn't it about time to put all these guesses and feelings about the practical differences between cue balls to rest with some actual tests?
I for one don't think there's really much practical difference between the major makes and models. Given similar weights, I doubt that they really follow or draw or spin or roll much differently.
Dave, you've got the robot and the know-how to make some real comparisons - are you willing? (Maybe you've already done it...?)
pj
chgo
Isn't it about time to put all these guesses and feelings about the practical differences between cue balls to rest with some actual tests?
I for one don't think there's really much practical difference between the major makes and models. Given similar weights, I doubt that they really follow or draw or spin or roll much differently.
Dave, you've got the robot and the know-how to make some real comparisons - are you willing? (Maybe you've already done it...?)
pj
chgo
What does "accepts more english" mean? What do you see in the way the cue ball acts that tells you there's "more english"?
pj
chgo
I was going to point to a link to my last post on different bar table cueballs, but I can see someone already didCocoboloCowboy said:
Additionally, here's more information that pretty much goes along with the other posters thoughts as well.
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The dots and circles signify what set they came from, and what they are
specifically.
The Blue Circle is normally from the Brunswick Centennial set from
Belgium.(Saluc)
The Blue Dot is from the previously U.S. made Brunswick Centennials.
The Red Dot that I have is the Dynamo Red Dot, one of the heaviest
normal sized bar table cue balls out there. I've seen other Red Dots that are about normal weight.
The new Green Aramith Logo foil shell ball is used on newer
Valley/Dynamo bar tables with the higher gauss magnetic return system.
There is a shell of foil between the core phenolic and the outer shell
of phenolic.
The Red Aramith Logo is from the Aramith Super Pro set. It's supposedly
identical in all specifications to the Blue Circle. Aramith is Saluc's
brand name.
The translucent Red Circle cue ball is the Aramith Pro Circle Cueball.
People report it bounces more lively or it draws better. Saluc/Aramith
says it's made of carom resin, not pool ball resin, fwiw. There is a
copy Red Circle out there that isn't made of carom resin. It's probably
not made by Saluc, either.
Etc.
Fred
Patrick Johnson said:
Who said it doesn't?
i believe this to be correct, also would like to add the aramith cue (has a red logo) ball that comes in the pro set (the set without the training ball) is the same weight as a measle ball.wolfgang said:
does anyone know anything about the black circle ball?
Very interesting topic. My dirty pool hall has all sorts of crappy ball sets. One of my team-mates carries in a premium rack for us to shoot with on league night. The cue balls are all different in the house sets. Blue, Red, Some Panther type, old bar box oversize/overweight balls. Blah!!
I keep a measels ball in my case, from my home super-pro set. I like my ball the most.
I keep a measels ball in my case, from my home super-pro set. I like my ball the most.
I thought you did when you said:
Isn't the implication that more elasticity makes the cue ball rebound more off the object ball, making it easier to draw and harder to follow?
pj
chgo
Patrick Johnson said:
You asked-
"Why doesn't the cue ball's greater elasticity affect both balls equally during impact? Why doesn't it push the object ball forward as much as the cue ball backward?"
The point of my answer was to convey that I never said that such an effect did or didn't exist. In fact, I never even broached the subject of the effect of the extra elasticity on the object ball, you did.
As far as what the effect on the object ball is, I don't know for sure, but I would guess that it does indeed get pushed forward a little extra.
desert1pocket said:
Yeah, I know. I raised it because I thought your assumption was that all the effect was confined to the cue ball. But now that I've thought more about it I think you're probably right either way - even with the effect divided between the cue ball and object ball there would be more "bounce" in both directions, which would make the object ball go faster/farther and make the cueball rebound more (making draw easier and follow harder, as you said).
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Ant812 said:
My experience is different from that above... my Super Aramith Pro Cup Measles cue ball is quite a bit lighter than my Super Aramith Pro Red Logo cue ball.
Both balls are brand new. RealKingCobra handed me the brand new set of Super Aramith Pro balls last night when he initially set up my new table. I bought the Measles ball ~10 days ago and it had seen no play. I weighed them both on a digital postal scale.
Super Aramith Pro Cup Measles ball.... 162 g. or 5.714 oz.
Super Aramith Pro Red Logo ball... 168 g. or 5.926 oz.
And fwiw, he and I also did an elasticity experiment. We dropped both cue balls from chest height onto my smooth garage concrete floor and the Super Aramith Pro Red Logo cue ball rebounded at least 6" higher than the Measles cue ball. We did the experiment twice with the same results. The mass difference of only 3.7% does not explain the significant difference in rebound height.
Conclusion: The elasticity of the phenolic resin used in the Red Logo ball must be significantly greater than that used in the Measles cue ball.
And I should mention that I also weighed every other ball in the Super Aramith Pro set and found that every ball weighed 169 grams, plus or minus 1 gram.