question about english and deflection

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Hi all quick question about english. Lets say I want to put left hand english on the cue ball so that the cue ball hits the rail and comes off left from the rail. My question is, will I have to hit the object ball more to the right to make the shot to make up from the squirt? Do you guys componsate on the object ball all the english you put on it? Does the predator shaft make up for this?
 
All low deflection shafts compensate for... well deflection.
Some shafts compensate for this more than others.
Your origional question is will it deflect if you use left english.
Yes, the cueball will deflect to the right. The cb will always deflect the oppisite direction of when it is struck.
There are many variable to take into account.
One of which how hard you hit the cb.
If you hit the cb soft. It probably will not even defect. Dependng on what you level of soft is. I see the max deflection at a med/hard stroke.
The other is how far the ob is away from the cb.
Shorter the distance, the less you need to account for deflection.
Longer the distance the more you need to account for deflection.

Keep in mind that deflection only occurs when you get away from the center or vertical axis of the cb (12 to 6 on a clock). Max deflection occurs between the 3-9 location on a clock.

Take what I am saying and don't believe me. Just go and test it out for yourself. Set a ball one ball off the bottom rail.Take the cb and put it at the 2 nd diamond up, a chalk width off the rail. Find the center of the pocket. Hit the shot a couple of times. Strike the cb at the 12 postion with a medium/hard stroke. Then replace them in the same locations. Hit it with inside english with the same stroke.

You should see that cb deflects to the bottom rail and you miss will be toward the long rail.

If you can get your hands on a ld shaft, do the same test. you should see a very noticable difference. If you don't then don't buy that shaft. There are many test to check out how much a shaft does or does not deflect. The one I noted is probably the easiest one for me to explain.
 
commodeair said:
Hi all quick question about english. Lets say I want to put left hand english on the cue ball so that the cue ball hits the rail and comes off left from the rail. My question is, will I have to hit the object ball more to the right to make the shot to make up from the squirt? Do you guys componsate on the object ball all the english you put on it? Does the predator shaft make up for this?
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Don't use much right and left english. Actually you should use it all the time, but what I mean is when you do use it just use a little bit. I don't shoot with a predator etc. I always use left and right english but I dont need a predator because when I use english I don't use much so I barely have to aim off for deflection.
 
commodeair said:
Hi all quick question about english. Lets say I want to put left hand english on the cue ball so that the cue ball hits the rail and comes off left from the rail. My question is, will I have to hit the object ball more to the right to make the shot to make up from the squirt? Do you guys componsate on the object ball all the english you put on it? Does the predator shaft make up for this?
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What distance?
On short distances, the cueball will also throw the ob more.
 
commodeair said:
Hi all quick question about english. Lets say I want to put left hand english on the cue ball so that the cue ball hits the rail and comes off left from the rail. My question is, will I have to hit the object ball more to the right to make the shot to make up from the squirt? Do you guys componsate on the object ball all the english you put on it? Does the predator shaft make up for this?
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Three factors come into play, and require aim compensation, when using English: squirt (AKA cue ball deflection), swerve (AKA cue ball curve), and throw (AKA throw). Video demonstrations and instructional articles dealing with all of the effects concerning English can be found here:


There is no one simple answer to your question. Every shot will be different depending on cut angle, shot distance, amount and type of English, conditions, etc! Check out all of the resources via the link for more info.

Enjoy,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
Three factors come into play, and require aim compensation, when using English: squirt (AKA cue ball deflection), swerve (AKA cue ball curve), and throw (AKA throw). Video demonstrations and instructional articles dealing with all of the effects concerning English can be found here:


There is no one simple answer to your question. Every shot will be different depending on cut angle, shot distance, amount and type of English, conditions, etc! Check out all of the resources via the link for more info.

Enjoy,
Dave
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Dr. Dave,

I never realized that "throw" is sometimes referred to as "throw." Learn something new everyday! :wink:

One of the things that stood out for me in your Video Encyclopedia is the step-by-step demonstration of the effects of cue elevation, shot speed, distance, draw/follow spin, and the various means of compensation (Disc II: 180-203). (The ones listed under 194 most directly address the original poster's question.) For those to whom the concepts.are somewhat new and would prefer to see them applied in living color, so to speak, I think that sequence will clear up many questions.

Jim
 
Jal said:
dr_dave said:
Three factors come into play, and require aim compensation, when using English: squirt (AKA cue ball deflection), swerve (AKA cue ball curve), and throw (AKA throw). Video demonstrations and instructional articles dealing with all of the effects concerning English can be found here:


There is no one simple answer to your question. Every shot will be different depending on cut angle, shot distance, amount and type of English, conditions, etc! Check out all of the resources via the link for more info.
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Dr. Dave,

I never realized that "throw" is sometimes referred to as "throw." Learn something new everyday! :wink:

One of the things that stood out for me in your Video Encyclopedia is the step-by-step demonstration of the effects of cue elevation, shot speed, distance, draw/follow spin, and the various means of compensation (Disc II: 180-203). (The ones listed under 194 most directly address the original poster's question.) For those to whom the concepts.are somewhat new and would prefer to see them applied in living color, so to speak, I think that sequence will clear up many questions.
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Thanks Jim.

If people want to view some of VEPS excerpts dealing with this material, here are some of the relevant segments:


Regards,
Dave
 
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