question about SVB's aiming

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champ2107

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I find it interesting that a guy like svb who started playing pool when he probably was 5 or so and i think i herd him say he played in a league at 9 in a tar interview. Now hes what, 28 ish, a pro and played his whole life and is in the top 5 players in the world and uses some kind of system in aiming. Why would he do this? at this point in his life he must have hit more than a couple million balls? Why is he using some sort of system, can someone that does not use an aiming system for pocketing balls explain this to me and help me understand why i shouldn't use a system and why SVB uses one? this thread is also is not about the importance of cue ball positioning either so lets stick to my questions :)

I have asked honest questions and hope to hear some well thought out answers, please! and also im not looking for a flame war either and hope we can all keep this thread civilized lol :)


here is a free tip for you guys also, if you ever try and press the question mark key and get this >>>> É <<<< and cant get it back to this >>>> ? <<<<<< hit the crt and shift keys to get this >>> ? <<<< back lol this drove me nuts until i figured out how to fix it lol
 
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I was wondering the same thing. Maybe he taught himself to use the system and found out what it was called later in life?

I have tried the same system on cut shots and find it is super consistant. At least I think it is what system Shane uses?
 
Even a magician...

Shane may be the greatest player I've seen in my substantial lifetime. But thank God he didn't choose teaching as a profession. Had a tough time making any sense out of that instructional video re aiming that I could hope to incorporate in my game. Left edge shaft, right, center shaft, incremental shafts points...wow. Tried it, but it must be me. Can't argue with his results.
 
The interesting thing (to me) about Shane's method is that it is very similar to the Hal Houle 3-line method....Shane just uses three different reference points for alignment.
 
Shane's system, as best we know it, is pretty simple. For cut shots within a certain range of angles, he aligns the inside edge of the stick, the center of the stick, or the outside edge of the stick with the outside edge of the OB.

To adjust for cut angles between what those three reference alignments would provide, he adjusts the target on the OB slightly (rather than using a different part of the stick still aimed at the edge of the OB). We learned that in a video that was posted of Shane giving a lesson.

But in the TAR interview, he noted that, because of his vast experience, the system has just become "automatic," to use his word. So aiming is now something he just does automatically.
 
I couldnt really make much sense of his aiming system either when he was trying to explain it. lol. Ive been playing since I was a young one (21 now) and I've found that after a while you just generally "know" where to hit the object ball in order to pocket it, whether or not you pocket the ball is a different story, lol. An aiming system may help some people, but for me, I have just generally gotten a feel for any shot and I kind of "know" where to hit the ball, not sure who else on here thinks like I do, but theres my 2 cents.
 
Well Ok, I guess

I have a buddy of mine that use's the same system, at least by his explanation its the same system and i have never seen anyone pocket balls any better...., I just havent been able to completely understand it?

It works for SVB and it works for my buddy, just aint easy to incorporate with out a lot of instruction from someone that use's it and is a good teacher
 
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I watched both videos and it made sense to me. I played using it exclusively tonight and I noticed a big diffence in my game. One huge benefit to a aiming system is that it slows your game down. I followed my pre shot routine more than ever, this is something I'm really liking
 
Wow! I haven't seen an aiming system thread in MONTHS. Seen some names I haven't seen in a while, too.

Have the AZB higher-ups deleted the "Aiming Conversation" sub-forum???

Edit: Nevermind. I see that this is just an old thread that was bumped. It will probably get moved.

Maniac (hopefully)
 
Andrew Henson said:
I watched both videos and it made sense to me. I played using it exclusively tonight and I noticed a big diffence in my game. One huge benefit to a aiming system is that it slows your game down. I followed my pre shot routine more than ever, this is something I'm really liking
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What video is this???
 
When he explained his aiming system to me, it hurt my head. I honestly don't think he uses it 90% of the time. On hard shots, and precision play he uses it to confirm his point of aim, would be my guesse.


best,

Justin
 
Watch the TAR interview with Shane and JArcher. He explains his aiming method in the second half when they're at the table. He says he developed his own method because it seemed the easiest. I think when you hit a million balls you start to notice things like where the left edge of your shaft is pointing on a 70-degree cut shot.

Any method you develop yourself is always going to work best for you because you'll understand it and have confidence in it.

The whole interview is a hoot, especially Archer's comment that you need a system because "when the pressure is really on, "natural" goes out the window." and when they asked Shane to recommend a "drill" for amateurs and he confessed that he doesn't even know what a drill is.
 
jhanso18 said:
When he explained his aiming system to me, it hurt my head. I honestly don't think he uses it 90% of the time. On hard shots, and precision play he uses it to confirm his point of aim, would be my guesse.


best,

Justin
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I would guess 90% of the time he does. It works pretty well and when you're used to doing something a certain way, you just keep doing it.
 
IMO I think Shane explained a lot of how he aims, but I would think some details were left out. I don't blame him at all for not giving out all the info. Did you really buy, Bustamante's and Archer's explanations of there aiming process, and who could blame them.
 
The real questions is:

When champ plays Living Legend, will he use CTE to beat him and tell him to Pay Up Sucker?
 
irock said:
IMO I think Shane explained a lot of how he aims, but I would think some details were left out. I don't blame him at all for not giving out all the info. Did you really buy, Bustamante's and Archer's explanations of there aiming process, and who could blame them.
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Plus it might be harder to give details because it is just second nature for them to do it.
 
AtLarge said:
Shane's system, as best we know it, is pretty simple. For cut shots within a certain range of angles, he aligns the inside edge of the stick, the center of the stick, or the outside edge of the stick with the outside edge of the OB.

To adjust for cut angles between what those three reference alignments would provide, he adjusts the target on the OB slightly (rather than using a different part of the stick still aimed at the edge of the OB). We learned that in a video that was posted of Shane giving a lesson.

But in the TAR interview, he noted that, because of his vast experience, the system has just become "automatic," to use his word. So aiming is now something he just does automatically.
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My contention is every good player has an aiming system and in nearly every case it is subconscious or automatic and most of them would have a hard time explaining it in terms someone else would understand. They don't just randomly aim.
 
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champ2107 said:
I find it interesting that a guy like svb who started playing pool when he probably was 5 or so and i think i herd him say he played in a league at 9 in a tar interview. Now hes what, 28 ish, a pro and played his whole life and is in the top 5 players in the world and uses some kind of system in aiming. Why would he do this? at this point in his life he must have hit more than a couple million balls? Why is he using some sort of system, can someone that does not use an aiming system for pocketing balls explain this to me and help me understand why i shouldn't use a system and why SVB uses one? this thread is also is not about the importance of cue ball positioning either so lets stick to my questions :)

I have asked honest questions and hope to hear some well thought out answers, please! and also im not looking for a flame war either and hope we can all keep this thread civilized lol :)


here is a free tip for you guys also, if you ever try and press the question mark key and get this >>>> É <<<< and cant get it back to this >>>> ? <<<<<< hit the crt and shift keys to get this >>> ? <<<< back lol this drove me nuts until i figured out how to fix it lol
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Im not quite sure why I am trying to answer this because the usually starts a flame war but thats not my intent.

A system of any kind has a protocol or something you do in order to understand the shot. Not sure what Shane does but if its the same each time based on what he understands to do and then because of what he understands what hes done and now he also understands how to play the shot with English based on that well.....thats all any of us are trying to do. Its more than just shot pocketing....sorry.....its about getting out and you have to use English in order to get out consistently or they would give out points for difficult shots completed. In order to be able to do that you really have to understand by some fairly common sight or protocol just what you do to play shots center ball and then learn to make allowances. Thats just pool. I hope I didnt go too far off subject but I felt you asked a question then sort of said you didnt want the answer so I really didnt know what to say except tell it like I see it.

Now you made a comment about not using a system. I guess thats the argument being raged on here all the time. I use a system but its not something with a protocol like cte but all are similar in that they have a protocol. In my opinion whatever you do as for a systematic way that puts you in a place where you understand the shot, how to play it with English and it works for you, well thats what you are supposed to do. I would further say that one should understand the balls path to the pocket or whatever youre doing isnt complete because you arent making a contact point in a pocket...youre putting a 2 1/4 in diameter ball in it....sure you need to be able to find a contact point....but if you havent made an allowance for the complete width of it...well you just might be closer to a miss....than if you have.

Just another lovely day in paradise.....

336Robin..:thumbup:

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champ,

I have been playing for 46 years since I was 13. That's a lot longer than SVB & I have hit a lot of balls as well, as has yery many of the AZB population. I just get down on the shot & shoot. That being said, we all use some form of aiming 'system', even though it is subconscious. For me, when a shot is tight with cut on it, I occasionally revert back consciously to my way of aiming just to re-enforce what I am seeing. I would think that SVB shoots many many shots, a high percentage of shots, without the use of any conscious aiming system. It is probably only certain shots that he consciously employs 'his' system.

Just my thoughts,
 
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