What shots...cut angles on the OB to the pocket/target are they?
question about SVB's aiming
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What shots...cut angles on the OB to the pocket/target are they?
It's pretty much on back cuts.
If I may quote pj:
from Patrick Johnson:
"When we shoot back cuts we're looking away from some important visual cues, namely the pocket and the rails that point to it. We learned to use these cues to help us see the OB-to-pocket line and find the contact point/cut angle without all the walking around (the usual reason for innovation). But we learned them subliminally, so we don't notice that we're using them and don't know what's wrong when they're gone."
Would these be like a spot shot with the CB in the kitchen?
This is just about back cuts.
Up until about a half ball hit you will be pretty much use an inside pivot A or C and after that it will be an inside B on back cuts before you get into the non cte shots. Remember a 20 degree cut is a 20 degree cut anywhere on the table, back cut or not.
I dont see back cuts as back cuts when I use cte/pro1, I see them as an inside A,C or B. This is another advantage of the system. :thumbup: lol The one billion possible shots that can be made with an inside A, are just a simple repeatable inside A shot to me, get it? lol
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Finding the proper aim "by feel" doesn't mean "fidgeting around". It means doing it without the kind of step-by-step mechanical instructions that a robot could follow - relying on your "practiced instinct" to tell you when you've got it right.
You use "feel" throughout the CTE process. Choosing the correct aimpoint and pivot direction is a non-robotic skill learned by practice, and so is "acquiring" the correct "visual" using the center-to-edge and aimpoint lines and placing your bridge hand in the correct place so the pivot works (or doing the "air pivot" with Pro1). The system's physical landmarks (fractions of the object ball) give you a fixed structure with familiar references to make things easier to learn and remember, but "robotic instructions" are sparse.
With practice you can learn to perform "by feel" tasks very quickly and accurately, but it's still "feel" - just feel that you've honed with practice to a quick and precise subconscious skill.
pj
chgo
Pj,
We are referencing 2 different CTEs. The CTE I speak of is in a completely different dimension than the one you write about.
You simply do not understand real CTE.
I will be glad when you get up to speed, if and when that ever happens.
Stan Shuffett
The stuff I learned from your DVD isn't real CTE?
It's not real hard to understand - it's just hard to reconcile it with your comments about it.
pj
chgo
Originally Posted by Patrick Johnson
We're already here talking, Stan - why do we need a change of venue?
I bet we'll never discuss this in any detail.
By the way, as I've said many times before, gaps are nothing to shy away from - fractional systems work for those who like them.
pj
chgo
PJ seems to shy away from evidence or examples except for issues that have a specific geometric answer. That he's pretty good at.
Otherwise, he typically provides non-responsive responses such as..."I'll bet we never discuss this in any detail."
Anyone who thinks that CTE/Pro One is a "preshot routine" has never really studied CTE/ Pro One and one who has never studied it is quite foolish to render an opinion on it....one way or the other.
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EagleMan
We're already here talking, Stan - why do we need a change of venue?
I bet we'll never discuss this in any detail.
By the way, as I've said many times before, gaps are nothing to shy away from - fractional systems work for those who like them.
pj
chgo
PJ seems to shy away from evidence or examples except for issues that have a specific geometric answer. That he's pretty good at.
Otherwise, he typically provides non-responsive responses such as..."I'll bet we never discuss this in any detail."
Anyone who thinks that CTE/Pro One is a "preshot routine" has never really studied CTE/ Pro One and one who has never studied it is quite foolish to render an opinion on it....one way or the other.
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EagleMan
Such as?
pj
chgo
...duplicate post...
I've been playing for 21 yrs and I've been aiming using my shaft/ferrule way before I even found out that Shane Van Boening showed us how he does it. Funny is when Jennifer Barretta says " not how everybody does it but how Shane does it" pppfffttt I do same thing how shane does it. I look at angle then zoom in(coming into shot line) but I've been shooting for 21 yrs and I am so used to seeing angles and how it look. I just aim using my cue stick depend on what angles it is. I aim center when it straight shot. if it a slight angle but kind look straight. I am looking at the edge but when i get down....going left instead of using left side since it is slight straight angle I use the right edge of shaft/ferrule line up the the right edge....so but if got more angle then i use left to go left shot. Idk. I was shock that Svb aim almost same as I do. way shane does it is how I do it. except on a hard tip cut shot...I use pivot. I aim left edge of the cue ball to right edge of the OB and then pivot to center and shoot it. jennifer might wanna change " not how everybody does it but way shane does it" to " Not lot of people use this but some does and shane does it too" LOL
I understood some of the explanation that Shane was giving and I've tried it. It work great and most made in and some miss. I think Shane's way is simple and understanding, just the hard part is trying to adjust our body the way it suppose to be in order to do the system he does. I try some simple shot like straight in,slight angle and 30 degrees angle and more. I haven't work on like thin cut shot yet but it was well. I do believe he does the Hal Houle system basing on the angle then choosing his shaft alignment on the Object ball. I do same Hal Houle 3 spots angle on the Object ball.
Way Hal Houle taught me was there is addition to 3 spots angle. that is Left Edge,Left quarter,center,right quarter, and right edge. before I saw SVB aiming way video. I was doing the Hal Houle system and always aiming center cue ball but same time as I am center cue ball, I am using the left and right edge of the shaft/ferrule aligning to the LE,LQ,CENTER,RQ AND RE at either one of them spot. Right shot use the right edge shaft/ferrule. left shot use left edge of shaft/ferrule. Now I gotta practice more additional on the shaft that shane use. It been working well for me. Lot better and easy aiming system than Pro1/CTE
Way Hal Houle taught me was there is addition to 3 spots angle. that is Left Edge,Left quarter,center,right quarter, and right edge. before I saw SVB aiming way video. I was doing the Hal Houle system and always aiming center cue ball but same time as I am center cue ball, I am using the left and right edge of the shaft/ferrule aligning to the LE,LQ,CENTER,RQ AND RE at either one of them spot. Right shot use the right edge shaft/ferrule. left shot use left edge of shaft/ferrule. Now I gotta practice more additional on the shaft that shane use. It been working well for me. Lot better and easy aiming system than Pro1/CTE