Question about the closed bridge

9BallPaul

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When I was taught to play in the mid-60s by a guy who studied pool books, I formed my bridge on my left hand by placing the first knuckle of the index finger against the second knuckle of the middle finger, pressed together by the thumb.

This seemed to serve me well enough, but then I got drafted and fell away from pool for a very long time. Watching the pros these days, I see many if not most who form their bridge by crossing their index finger onto the top of their middle finger. I've been experimenting with this lately and it does seem very effective.

Now, if I wanted to form that bridge with my right hand, I couldn't do it, thanks to many years of manual labor that mangled my digits.

Anyway, I guess my question is, is this crossover bridge a newer development in pool? Pictures of old school players would appear to support me on this, though I've none to post.

Your opinions, please.
 
When I was taught to play in the mid-60s by a guy who studied pool books, I formed my bridge on my left hand by placing the first knuckle of the index finger against the second knuckle of the middle finger, pressed together by the thumb.

This seemed to serve me well enough, but then I got drafted and fell away from pool for a very long time. Watching the pros these days, I see many if not most who form their bridge by crossing their index finger onto the top of their middle finger. I've been experimenting with this lately and it does seem very effective.

Now, if I wanted to form that bridge with my right hand, I couldn't do it, thanks to many years of manual labor that mangled my digits.

Anyway, I guess my question is, is this crossover bridge a newer development in pool? Pictures of old school players would appear to support me on this, though I've none to post.

Your opinions, please.
Everyone is different in the way they bridge. It matters what is best and most comfortable to you. And really the bottom line is not of that stuff even matters if you can deliver the cue to whitey exactly where you want to. imo.

BVal
 
Bvals right...also different hand sizes make some bridges uncomfortable to impossible. I'm sure there are some out there using the bridge you have described. Again use whichever one is more comfortable to you.
 
Trying again

Thanks for the advice, fellas, but that's not what I'm asking for. My apologies for a misleading opening post.

Technique in sports evolves -- and that's what I'm wondering. As a youngster studying pool, I never encountered this "crossover bridge" (for lack of a better term). Now I see it all the time.

Was I not paying attention? Or this a new development in pool technique? Other sports have evolved since I was a kid -- you never see a pitcher take a full windup in baseball, for example -- and bowlers throw huge curves these days instead of modest hooks -- so I'm wondering if this bridge is something new, or something I overlooked as a kid.

My pool mentor spent many hours coaching me on how to form a proper bridge. Laying the index finger atop the middle finger never entered the conversation.
 
Thanks for the advice, fellas, but that's not what I'm asking for. My apologies for a misleading opening post.

Technique in sports evolves -- and that's what I'm wondering. As a youngster studying pool, I never encountered this "crossover bridge" (for lack of a better term). Now I see it all the time.

Was I not paying attention? Or this a new development in pool technique? Other sports have evolved since I was a kid -- you never see a pitcher take a full windup in baseball, for example -- and bowlers throw huge curves these days instead of modest hooks -- so I'm wondering if this bridge is something new, or something I overlooked as a kid.

My pool mentor spent many hours coaching me on how to form a proper bridge. Laying the index finger atop the middle finger never entered the conversation.

I'm under the impression that the bridge you're talking about, where you place your index on top of your middle finger, was a Filipino innovation. So when they started making a huge impact on the game, probably while you dropped the game, is when the bridge started to proliferate the sport.
 
9BallPaul...I'm not sure if I understand you clearly...or not. It sounds like you're describing the difference between a closed loop bridge, and and an open hand bridge....and asking if a closed bridge is a new innovation. Both have been around forever, and the "older" players, even back in the late 1800's, used a closed bridge for some shots. Snooker players are the only ones who use an open hand bridge exclusively, for all shots (some poolplayers may fall into this catagory...but not many).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Thanks for the advice, fellas, but that's not what I'm asking for. My apologies for a misleading opening post.

Technique in sports evolves -- and that's what I'm wondering. As a youngster studying pool, I never encountered this "crossover bridge" (for lack of a better term). Now I see it all the time.

Was I not paying attention? Or this a new development in pool technique? Other sports have evolved since I was a kid -- you never see a pitcher take a full windup in baseball, for example -- and bowlers throw huge curves these days instead of modest hooks -- so I'm wondering if this bridge is something new, or something I overlooked as a kid.

My pool mentor spent many hours coaching me on how to form a proper bridge. Laying the index finger atop the middle finger never entered the conversation.
 
Scott -- Yes, a closed loop bridge, but I now see it with the index finger crossed over onto the middle finger. This is the bridge most players use for the break, for example, or any shot in the middle of the table requiring medium speed or more.

I suspect Tadpole's suggestion about it being a Filipino innovation might be correct.
 
If you define a bridge as a stable guide for your cue, then it really doesn't matter what your bridge looks like.

For me, if it's stable, and acts as a guide for my cue, it's an acceptable bridge. Then it's all about what you're comfortable on any specific shot. Some I like closed bridges, some I like open bridges.

Peace...
 
They have reopened it. After traffic had to make the six mile detour down Reems Creek, the city council pressured the DOT into getting it into gear. Those crazy cows. How do you get stuck like that? Crazy, huh? Anyway, you'll be happy to know it's back open. Take care.
 
Interesting observations...

The game is always evolving and new things being discovered. I think the second mentioned bridge with the index finger being planted on top of the middle finger has become more widely used because it provides more substantial support. It isn't dependent upon any muscular support whatsoever and is strictly supported by the natural joint and bones of the hand in a "locked" position and hence it limits the amount of movement that is possible within the bridge itself and eliminates any muscular application at all from the bridge hand. Just my opinion here though. :thumbup:
 
Picture's worth a thousand words...

Scott -- Yes, a closed loop bridge, but I now see it with the index finger crossed over onto the middle finger. This is the bridge most players use for the break, for example, or any shot in the middle of the table requiring medium speed or more.

I suspect Tadpole's suggestion about it being a Filipino innovation might be correct.

9BallPaul:

Perhaps these pictures of the closed bridges of certain professional players might help those to "see" what you're talking about with the "overlapping index finger" closed bridge:

Shane Van Boening:
http://www.azbilliards.com/gallery/showplayergallery.php?playernum=4315

Efren Reyes:
http://www.azbilliards.com/gallery/showplayergallery.php?playernum=228

Francisco Bustamante:
http://www.azbilliards.com/gallery/showplayergallery.php?playernum=223

Mike Sigel:
http://www.azbilliards.com/gallery/showplayergallery.php?playernum=844

...and literally hundreds of others.

The overlapping index finger closed bridge is extremely stable, since one of the legs of the tripod (the ring finger) is the foundation that the cue rests on, with the index finger keeping the cue down on top of it. It's basically a self-locking bridge. (This is as opposed to the traditional closed loop bridge, which consists of a "two-piece" construction -- the three-finger tripod / heel of the hand foundation is one piece, and the index finger loop / thumb is another piece; the player has to make sure that both "pieces" are pressed/locked together to keep it stable.) The overlapping index finger bridge also forms a "V"-bridge internally, albeit this "V"-bridge is laying on its side, with the open aperture of the "V" facing the player. The traditional looped index finger closed bridge tends to more or less form a circular orifice, or else a "shelf" (on the thumb) that the cue rests on.

The only caveat with the overlapping index finger closed bridge is that it almost "requires" a shaft with a pro taper. A standard slope-tapered shaft will "jam" inside the aperture created by the index finger on top of the ring finger, unless the player compensates by slightly releasing the pressure [applied by the index finger on top of the ring finger] in direct correlation with the increasing diameter of the shaft as it passes through that aperture.

Personally, I have both types of closed bridge in my bag o' tricks, just to be able to compensate for different days, when varying humidity, the playing conditions, how I'm seeing the table, etc. may change. Something like, "ok, that doesn't seem to be working as well as I expect; let me shake things up and try this instead."

Lately, I've been using a modified version of the "traditional" looped index finger closed bridge, whereby I form a perfect "V" internally using the downward slope of my left hand's ring finger towards the table as the left side of the "V", and the pad of the inward-pointing tip of the index finger as the right side of the "V". (When curled inward and locked between my thumb and the second joint of my ring finger, the very tip of my finger points towards my palm, and the pad at the tip of my index finger is angled perfectly to create the opposite side of the "V", at the perfect complementary angle to the downward slope of my ring finger to the table.) This modification of the standard looped index finger bridge, to me, seems to be less susceptible to "binding" when dealing with a standard-tapered shaft, and more compatible / complementary with the standard "V" created by an open hand bridge; same cue action offered by the "V" being angled the very same way -- perfectly perpendicular to the table surface.

Anyway, I hope this is helpful info!
-Sean
 
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K guys he's not asking opinions about which bridge he should be using. He's just wondering about this "new" bridge he's been seeing lately. Curious.

I'm under the impression that the bridge you're talking about, where you place your index on top of your middle finger, was a Filipino innovation. So when they started making a huge impact on the game, probably while you dropped the game, is when the bridge started to proliferate the sport.

Yup that's the one. Although I'm not sure if it is a Filipino invention (I think it's plausible), a lot of FIlipinos use it. Your explanation makes sense though.

New school American/European pool players use it. Old school American pool players rarely or never use. Based on the vids I've seen. But yea I see old vidoes of Efren and he's been using that bridge since time.
 
I'm under the impression that the bridge you're talking about, where you place your index on top of your middle finger, was a Filipino innovation. So when they started making a huge impact on the game, probably while you dropped the game, is when the bridge started to proliferate the sport.

Not really a Filipino innovation:

MikeSigel_200.jpg

But yes, you're right, imitating the Filipinos has popularized this bridge. If you're going to copy someone, why not copy from the best? Come to think of it, Mike Sigel falls into "the best" category too, though.

Edit - Oops. sfleinen already posted pics of Mike Sigel, sorry. But at least my pic is older :)
 
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Thans, all

Looks like Sigel has been doing it for a while. Shane also, but he's so young he wasn't born when I learned to shoot. Anyways, I think I've satisfied my curiosity. It seems to be a relatively new development, now widely popular.

Thanks for your interest and responses. Meantime, I'm using it more and like it, too.
 
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