Question about YouTube links on here

Russ Chewning

Russ Chewning

Short Bus Russ - C player
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I had to start a new thread on this because I have been seeing so many links to YouTube videos of clips from matches.

I can't access them since I am in Iraq, but can anyone who can access them tell me if they are from Accu-Stats / BCN videos?

If they are I HIGHLY doubt that Pat Fleming or BCN authorized these videos being uploaded to YouTube..

I have seen links to Efren's "Z bank kick" on Earl Strickland hill-hill in some tournament or another. I have that tape. As far as I know, there is no video circulating of that shot off someone's camcorder. So that means whoever uploaded that shot probably cost Pat a few dollars, as he specifically markets that video on his website as "the incredible hill-hill kick shot to win the match and tournament" or something like that.

If you download the video for free, that does kill the motivation to buy the match from Pat.

Someone please tell me that we as good billiard citizens are not encouraging a practice that is likely to put Pat Fleming out of business.

Russ
 
Russ these are short clips taken from an entire video. I think the benifit of having them on youtube far outweighs any kind of loss a copyright holder may have.

Just consider them trailers, something to whet a persons appitite.

Besides who made you the internet police. If you're so against piracy, you might want to take a good look at where, and who you work for.
 
supergreenman said:
Russ these are short clips taken from an entire video. I think the benifit of having them on youtube far outweighs any kind of loss a copyright holder may have.

Just consider them trailers, something to whet a persons appitite.
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Pat Fleming can run his business however he wants. It's his call whether posting clips to YouTube will hurt his business, not yours.

Besides who made you the internet police. If you're so against piracy, you might want to take a good look at where, and who you work for.
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Yeah.. AND? I happen to believe in what I am doing over here. What's your point?

Russ
 
supergreenman said:
There are pirates and there are pirates, raping a country for it's oil is far worse of a crime than posting a couple of videos on the internet.
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Wow, someone on here that has something important and something true and relevant to say. Props to you Greenman, and Russ you got PWNT! Who the FLICK cares if Pat gets rich? It should be seen as advertising anyways for people to want to buy the full video from Accustats. You're just mad you can't view them. If you could, would you be complaining about someone else making money on them? Go back to killing innocent people for an unjust war spurred by lies.
 
This is just rich...

I address what I see as a growing problem on the forum of people pirating Accu-Stats intellectual property, and you guys turn in into a discussion about my job.

Let's get back on target, please. Regardless of what I do for a living, you are saying you support people uploading Accus-Stats videos to be viewed freely, without any royalties going to Pat?

Nice....:mad:

Russ
 
belmicah said:
Props to you Greenman, and Russ you got PWNT! Who the FLICK cares if Pat gets rich?
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PWNT?? Seriously, are you 12 years old or something?

And the irony of you encouraging piracy of the fruits of Pat Fleming's work, while simultaneously using the cover of an Accu-Stats magazine as your avatar, is not lost on me.

Russ
 
belmicah said:
Wow, someone on here that has something important and something true and relevant to say. Props to you Greenman, and Russ you got PWNT! Who the FLICK cares if Pat gets rich? It should be seen as advertising anyways for people to want to buy the full video from Accustats. You're just mad you can't view them. If you could, would you be complaining about someone else making money on them? Go back to killing innocent people for an unjust war spurred by lies.
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Relevant? Relevant MAYBE to the state of the war in Iraq (though I still don't agree that his comment could have any positive outcome on these forums) but certainly not relevant to the discussion about pool clips on youtube or pool in general.

I'm not trying to hate on greenman I just disagree that it was the time and place to talk about that.
 
Russ Chewning said:
If you download the video for free, that does kill the motivation to buy the match from Pat.

Russ
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OK, what if I had no motivation/intention to buy the match... then is it ok to watch it?
 
I believe that it's up to Pat to do something about it if he views it as a copyright infringement on his material. If he doesn't know about it, someone should tell him... but I suspect that he already knows.

I personally see it as a form of advertising for Accustats... but what do I matter??? :rolleyes:
 
thrasher789 said:
I'm not trying to hate on greenman I just disagree that it was the time and place to talk about that.
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I've already said it wasn't the place but since you brought it up again...

when is the right time to call a spade a spade. I tend to agree with belmicah, Russ is only whining about this because he can't watch them in Iraq.
 
Russ Chewning said:
PWNT?? Seriously, are you 12 years old or something?

And the irony of you encouraging piracy of the fruits of Pat Fleming's work, while simultaneously using the cover of an Accu-Stats magazine as your avatar, is not lost on me.

Russ
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Russ, I apologize for bringing your job into this, as it is NOT relevant. As far as Accustats goes, I am sure they can use the hundreds of dollars I have paid them to make up for me viewing a shot on Youtube.
 
What I Wrote When This Topic Was First Raised

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Originally Posted by Russ Chewning
I have a question... I see a LOT of youtube videos of pro matches being posted here.

By any chance, are any of them Accu-Stats videos? And if they are, did Pat Fleming give anyone permission to post them on youtube?

Russ

Snooker clips are primarily from BBC or Eurosport. I assume that the broadcasts were taped by the youtube posters.

U.S. 9-Ball Championships, World Masters, The Border Battle, and various trick shot competitions are broadcast in Canada on Sportsnet or TSN.

If copyright is being violated it is up to the owners to complain to youtube.

However, with very rare exceptions, what shows up on youtube are very small snippets of matches. The question copyright holders would have to ask themselves is whether this is infringement or free advertising.
 
supergreenman said:
I've already said it wasn't the place but since you brought it up again...

when is the right time to call a spade a spade. I tend to agree with belmicah, Russ is only whining about this because he can't watch them in Iraq.
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Actually, saying I couldn't watch them is an overgeneralization. I CAN technically watch YouTube videos from my living quarters, as the internet connection there is from a Department of State conenction, that is not locked down. I can't watch them from work.

I have purchased almost the entire Accu-Stats DVD catalog, and others have sent me DVDs for about 10 more matches, as well as instructional DVDS. I have quite a bit of Accu-Stats material, thank you very much.

Furthermore, I'm the kind of guy who can't stand to watch non pristine copies, anyway. The few videos I've seen on YouTube were posted by Linda, and were entertaining more fore the content than the quality.

I have access to what we call "haji copies" of popular movies, but I refuse to buy them, because I can't deal with the compression and lower quality of these sort of videos.

So, just so we set the record straight, I am not "whining" about it for that reason. I am "whining" about it because it's just plain wrong. Someone else mentioned it is Pat's responsibility to address the problem if people are pirating his stuff on YouTube. I really doubt that Pat has the ability to sue YouTube. And I also doubt Pat has the time to constantly scour YouTube to find whether this or that biliard video is an Accu-Stats property.

It is up to us on the forum to address the issue. Why is it that when people come on here asking for Torrent download inks for billiard videos, everyone screams bloody murder, but now that YouTube has made it easier, then everyone is okay with pirating?

As I said, I am not jealous. I am making a statement that the people who are posting these videos to YouTube are wrong for doing so. And also that once the first person finds out it is an Accu-Stats property, the thread should be deleted.

Pat Fleming is not getting rich off Accu-Stats, and if people keep pirating his work, he's going to go out of business.

Russ
 
Russ get off your soap box before I soak it in lighter fluid and toss a match. You never fail to astound me at your total lack of ability to see more than one side of an issue.

For instance.

- Not everyone with a criminal record is a bad person. (one of your favorites)
- Drug users should not be put to death even if drug use is against the law (another one of your favorites)
- videos posted on youtube can benifit the copyright holder in the form of free advertizing.

This all brings me back to my first post. If you're going to preach about right and wrong make sure you're own house is in order.
 
supergreenman said:
There are pirates and there are pirates, raping a country for it's oil is far worse of a crime than posting a couple of videos on the internet.
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everyone in the world would have to agree with you here.
 
supergreenman said:
Russ get off your soap box before I soak it in lighter fluid and toss a match. You never fail to astound me at your total lack of ability to see more than one side of an issue.

For instance.

- Not everyone with a criminal record is a bad person. (one of your favorites)
- Drug users should not be put to death even if drug use is against the law (another one of your favorites)
- videos posted on youtube can benifit the copyright holder in the form of free advertizing.

This all brings me back to my first post. If you're going to preach about right and wrong make sure you're own house is in order.
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Wait a minute, was he the one who said that drug dealers should be put to death? I remember that thread.
 
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