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could you accept "horizon " to describe what most of us call the "edge" of the ball??
if you look across a distance you see the horizon which is why for along time the earth was thought to be flat but we know its not flat (neither is the cue ball)
but there is a horizon on the earth (or an "edge"of the cue ball as most of us call it)


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Most folks can see the edge (horizon) of the 3 ball... duckie only sees that yellow thing pointing at it. :shakehead:

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Another Perception

Another interesting perception is if you see the top point where two balls over lap this looks like the valley between two mountains.

Directly under where the two balls meet or would meet is the contact point.

Just thought I would add that in.
 
duckie said:
Not to me because that is not how I perceive things, but that's just me. Everyone has to to find and stick with what works for them. You can not be wishy washy. Try this for some time, then this and then this and so on.

Once you find whatever works for you, it must stick with it, must be true to it.....like CTE users are......I'm the same way about how I do things.

Neither is wrong or right. This is an example why all aiming systems are subjective. Just because the majority of pool players talk about edges on balls, doesn't make it a fact....just a lot of people not understanding the concepts of geometry. Discussing in terms of what's imagined in the mind does not always reflect reality.......edges on balls, 1/2 ball hit. They are just terms, phrases used to express how someone does something which does not always have a basis in reality. Not good or bad.....just the way it is.

I've train myself to think outside the box. Comes in handy.
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thanks for your response
could explain how you see it???
im sorry if this has all been posted before and if you prefer to discuss in pm thats ok
i dont read all posts in the aiming forum
 
duckie said:
I'm into ball placement......putting the CB where it needs to be to make the OB AND CB go where I want. Because of this, I base everything on direction of travel lines which uses the contact patches of the balls. The contact patch being where the ball contact the table.

I do not use contact points.......imaginary points on the OB and CB. The only time these points line up is straight in shots. As the cut angle increases, this creates an offset in my sighting. The points are offset to the direction of travel line to where the CB needs to be.

Using direction of travel line.....where I need to place the CB is right where I need to look. There is no offset like with contact points.

So....since the top of the CB is 180 out from the contact patch, it is possible to use the top of the CB to sight where I need to put the CB. It takes practice just like anything else.

I don't use the stick in any form of aiming since, at times depending on the shot and spin used, the stick isn't pointing to where I need to place the CB.

Like a low inside spin with the cue angle down.

There is a difference in thinking between trying to hit something v trying to place something somewhere. I go for placing the CB in the right spot on the table to make the OB AND CB go where I want.
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so if understand you correctly you see the "patch" of cloth near the object ball where the cue ball must go to make the object ball go in the pocket (if the pocket is your goal)
is that correct??
 
duckie said:
This is gonna be hard to explain......I don't "see" anything. I do not imagine a patch or a point of a arrow or lines. This was not always the case. Good ole HAMB has taken me to thinking about placing the balls.

Over time, using HAMB, from just seeing the CB contact the OB and the balls go where I want, I've gotten to think in terms of placing the CB. Where do I need to put the CB to make the OB AND CB go where I want.

I've come to just "see" where to put the CB. Like there is a empty area and I am trying to place the CB in that area.

Ever throw a piece of paper in the trash can. Are you trying to place that piece somewhere in the opening of the can or are you trying to hit something?

Throwing a ball to someone...are you trying to hit the glove, which maybe at the persons side or are you trying to place the ball such that the other person can catch it?

Same concept....I'm just trying to place the CB where I need it.
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This is actually a great post from you. What I sometimes think you fail to realize is that anyone who takes up an aiming system wants to, and will eventually get to where you are now.

Everyone has the same point B, but not everyone starts at the same point A.
 
duckie said:
This is gonna be hard to explain......I don't "see" anything. I do not imagine a patch or a point of a arrow or lines. This was not always the case.
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Good post duckie.. but you still must aim. I would imagine that you "see" something.

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duckie said:
Nope, I realize it takes time.....lots of time........something that is required with any aiming method. Not only time, but very structured traning and practice sessions.

You just can't go to the table and bang balls. You gotta have a plan.

What I don't like is those implying a system will shorten the time needed to get to this point.
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I could be mistaken, but I don't think any system user ever said that it would noticeably shorten the time needed to get to that point.

They may have said the system was easier to understand (for them), and that could easily have some (although minor) effect on the learning curve.

All systems or methods require table time. I think we all can agree on that.
 
duckie said:
Not for me.....in the real world, it's 3d first off, not 2d. What you are showing is a imaginary line that touches a spot on the curved surface. Not that there is a edge of a sphere. The only place that imagined line exist while shooting is in your mind meaning subjective cause it does not exist in my mind when I'm shooting.

Second, is the point of view.....do you really view a shot from this point of view?

Try as you may....there are no edges on a sphere. I can post a real pic of a ball and a cube in order to show the difference between something with a edge and something without a edge.

It's get me that people like to be so precise about something........up to a point, then not. They want to talk precisely about the phyisics, the degree of cut angles of a shot but not be precise about the geometry of a shot and the shape of the objects ie balls then come into play.

There's a Moody's Blues song line that I embrace a lot........."do you question all the answers" meaning do you think for yourself or think what others want you to.....just accept what is said to be fact and never really seeing if it really is.
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Duckie
I appreciate your responses and thank you for participating in my thread
It's clear to me you see the rorsach picture one-way while many of us see it a different way
Different strokes for different folks
whatever works best for each person is the best
 
No matter how you look at a ball on a table, any distance, any height (to a sensible limit) the above diagram works precisely. So *you* don't use these imaginary left and right lines, that is fine. However, you don't need to ridicule others in these threads for referencing them, it seem no one else has a problem with them.


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As everyone is aware (I hope), no matter how you see (perceive) the shot, the only place on the object ball you will ever hit is along the horizontal center of the ball (equator). Exceptions are when you jump the cue ball to land at a higher point on the object ball.

The spherical shape of the ball distorts some people's interpretation of the shot and they forget (or don't know) that their cue ball never touches what is perceived to be the smaller areas of the ball (above and below the equator).

You are always hitting the object ball at the equator and I think it is easier to try to envision just the horizontal center and vertical center of the ball and divide it into sections or degrees in your mind.

I'm sure your brain will use other input to try to work out the other little pieces that may be missing, but it will get you into the ballpark.
 

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