question for stan regarding "feel" for CTE

[bbb]

I am not a part of your, WE AIM BY FEEL......just for the record.

Stan Shuffett
.......
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you said this in a post
here is my question for you
assuming someone has a straight reliable stroke
meaning the cue ball goes where they aim without unintentional spin
if you were to teach them a "dead ball" meaning vertical axis
billiard system for kicking
you could tell them
to get here /hit there
and they should be able to do it
they wouldnt need "perceptions/visuals..etc" to make the shot
would they??
if you could put a spot on the table where the center of the ghost ball is
and told that same player
make the cue ball go over that spot
they would pocket the ball
yes??do you agree so far??
once you introduce fudge factors
whether where is that spot on the table for the ghost ball
or how much thicker or thinner than 1/4 ball is that cut
or
which pivot do i use to connect which targets
all involve some "judgement"
which is feel
to me
it has nothing to do with the merits of the system
and i believe your system has merit
but if you have to do more than
aim the cue ball there
its a feel system to me
i will admit i dont completely understand cte even though i own your dvd
your or anyone else thoughts are welcome
this is not an attack but an opinion
'i could be wrong

 

[Neil]

I am not a part of your, WE AIM BY FEEL......just for the record.

Stan Shuffett
.......
........
you said this in a post
here is my question for you
assuming someone has a straight reliable stroke
meaning the cue ball goes where they aim without unintentional spin
if you were to teach them a "dead ball" meaning vertical axis
billiard system for kicking
you could tell them
to get here /hit there
and they should be able to do it
they wouldnt need "perceptions/visuals..etc" to make the shot
would they??
if you could put a spot on the table where the center of the ghost ball is
and told that same player
make the cue ball go over that spot
they would pocket the ball
yes??do you agree so far??
once you introduce fudge factors
whether where is that spot on the table for the ghost ball
or how much thicker or thinner than 1/4 ball is that cut
or
which pivot do i use to connect which targets
all involve some "judgement"
which is feel
to me
it has nothing to do with the merits of the system
and i believe your system has merit
but if you have to do more than
aim the cue ball there
its a feel system to me
i will admit i dont completely understand cte even though i own your dvd
your or anyone else thoughts are welcome
this is not an attack but an opinion
'i could be wrong

CTE Pro One gives you the correct shot line. All you have to do is shoot straight down that line.

 

[bbb]

CTE Pro One gives you the correct shot line. All you have to do is shoot straight down that line.

well there you have it
thanks for the reply
:thumbup:

 

[BLADE]

I don't aim by feel either. Put in the work and you'll see it too! Until the work is put in a person will remain uneducated in the exactness of CTE/ Pro One.

Best Regards,

Stevie (The Blade) Moore

steviemoore.com
youtube.com/thebladesteviemoore
stevietheblade@gmail.com
Justcueit.com
youtube.com/stanshuffett

 

[Colin Colenso]

I don't aim by feel either. Put in the work and you'll see it too! Until the work is put in a person will remain uneducated in the exactness of CTE/ Pro One.

Best Regards,

Stevie (The Blade) Moore

steviemoore.com
youtube.com/thebladesteviemoore
stevietheblade@gmail.com
Justcueit.com
youtube.com/stanshuffett

Say you jump from an 8 foot table to a 9 foot table Stevie, with CB and OB in same relation, as in the attached diagram. How can you account for requiring substantially different aim lines?

Colin

 

[stan shuffett]

Say you jump from an 8 foot table to a 9 foot table Stevie, with CB and OB in same relation, as in the attached diagram. How can you account for requiring substantially different aim lines?

Colin

As diagrammed the CB OB appears to be a 30 inside.

The perception for the 2 tables will be CBE TO B with CTE.

Each perception will clearly be a 30 with a 1/2 tip pivot making both shots.

The perception changes but the lines remain constant in their objectivity allowing the pivot to be the same for each shot per table.

****It is possible that the 9 footer shot is 15 and inside while the 8 footer is 30 inside.

This can be easily set up and demonstrated.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Colin Colenso]

As diagrammed the CB OB appears to be a 30 inside.

The perception for the 2 tables will be CBE TO B with CTE.

Each perception will clearly be a 30 with a 1/2 tip pivot making both shots.

The perception changes but the lines remain constant in their objectivity allowing the pivot to be the same for each shot per table.

****It is possible that the 9 footer shot is 15 and inside while the 8 footer is 30 inside.

This can be easily set up and demonstrated.

Stan Shuffett

I was kind of thinking along those lines Stan.

Just a new way of presenting a potential objection.

Cheers,
Colin

 

[duckie]

I don't aim by feel either. Put in the work and you'll see it too! Until the work is put in a person will remain uneducated in the exactness of CTE/ Pro One.

Best Regards,

Stevie (The Blade) Moore

steviemoore.com
youtube.com/thebladesteviemoore
stevietheblade@gmail.com
Justcueit.com
youtube.com/stanshuffett

Right...................do you ever miss? If you do, why? Cause if you miss, this means the system you used is not exact.

Do you lose matches with a exact system?

Something so exact means never missing.

There are no exact aiming systems. The exactness or rather the accuracy of any system is totally based on the application of the system and not what system is used.

I can make the same statement about Ghostball and those that don't put in the work with it will not see that it is the most exact aiming method there is and using the contact patch concept of ghost ball increases that exactness even more.

But you and others don't use it so you'll never understand this.

And it bullshit that feeling is not use in aiming. More marketing statement made in order to sell product.

You can not ever not have some level of feel for aiming. People are human, not robots. Remember aiming includes where the balls stop. Meaning to get the CB to stop at the spot you are aiming for on the table requires feel in order to know how to stroke it and depending on what spin might be needed to reach that spot, could determine where the OB is contacted.

Feel is very much of part of aiming and to continually discountits importance, by you and others, in aiming and shot making is just wrong.

And I've most defiantly do put in the work in order to make the above statement.

How exact is CTE on carom shots? I've never see this type of shot discussed using CTE? How come? Or even combos, how come?

On a larger scale, thoses two shots are never, ever discussed in aiming. How come? Those shots exist. I use them in 14.1. How come PJ diagramed a cut shot to explain fractional and not say a rail first shot I post at times?

The point is that most aiming discussion are more for pissing matches than discussing aiming because if aiming was the main concern, than aiming discussion for rail first shots would be included. Nope it's always the good ole cut shot into the pocket that is discussed.

Lets see a nice pic of fractional aiming concept using a combo.

Would'nt the addition of a second ball as in a combo change the perception of the shot from that of the perception of just one ball?

 

[stan shuffett]

I was kind of thinking along those lines Stan.

Just a new way of presenting a potential objection.

Cheers,
Colin

Table overlays are not really new as they have been presented before from an objection perspective.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Colin Colenso]

Table overlays are not really new as they have presented before from an objection perspective.

Stan Shuffett

I hadn't seen them presented before, but essentially they are no different to shifting CB or OB a couple of inches, in regard to how your system deals with such things.

Perhaps opens people's minds to a deeper understanding of how the system adapts to such variables though, via different perspectives.

Cheers,
Colin

 

[stan shuffett]

I hadn't seen them presented before, but essentially they are no different to shifting CB or OB a couple of inches, in regard to how your system deals with such things.

Perhaps opens people's minds to a deeper understanding of how the system adapts to such variables though, via different perspectives.

Cheers,
Colin

Yes, Thanks!

Stan Shuffett

 

[Ratta]

Right...................do you ever miss? If you do, why? Cause if you miss, this means the system you used is not exact.

Do you lose matches with a exact system?

Something so exact means never missing.

There are no exact aiming systems. The exactness or rather the accuracy of any system is totally based on the application of the system and not what system is used.

I can make the same statement about Ghostball and those that don't put in the work with it will not see that it is the most exact aiming method there is and using the contact patch concept of ghost ball increases that exactness even more.

But you and others don't use it so you'll never understand this.

And it bullshit that feeling is not use in aiming. More marketing statement made in order to sell product.

You can not ever not have some level of feel for aiming. People are human, not robots. Remember aiming includes where the balls stop. Meaning to get the CB to stop at the spot you are aiming for on the table requires feel in order to know how to stroke it and depending on what spin might be needed to reach that spot, could determine where the OB is contacted.

Feel is very much of part of aiming and to continually discountits importance, by you and others, in aiming and shot making is just wrong.

And I've most defiantly do put in the work in order to make the above statement.

How exact is CTE on carom shots? I've never see this type of shot discussed using CTE? How come? Or even combos, how come?

On a larger scale, thoses two shots are never, ever discussed in aiming. How come? Those shots exist. I use them in 14.1. How come PJ diagramed a cut shot to explain fractional and not say a rail first shot I post at times?

The point is that most aiming discussion are more for pissing matches than discussing aiming because if aiming was the main concern, than aiming discussion for rail first shots would be included. Nope it's always the good ole cut shot into the pocket that is discussed.

Lets see a nice pic of fractional aiming concept using a combo.

Would'nt the addition of a second ball as in a combo change the perception of the shot from that of the perception of just one ball?

I ve heard rumours that some humans sometimes make *physical* errors.....or are not in top mental condition.....but maybe that s just a rumour about humans. Maybe "ghostball-user" or "arrow-user"don t have *human-deficites".

Maybe you could also offer Stevie a lesson for his fundamentals and his aiming :grin-square::grin-square::grin-square::grin-square::grin-square::grin-square::grin-square:


sry- but i couldn t resist.....

 

[TheThaiger]

I don't aim by feel either. Put in the work and you'll see it too! Until the work is put in a person will remain uneducated in the exactness of CTE/ Pro One.

Best Regards,

Stevie (The Blade) Moore

steviemoore.com
youtube.com/thebladesteviemoore
stevietheblade@gmail.com
Justcueit.com
youtube.com/stanshuffett

How did you aim before cte?

 

[LAMas]

Say you jump from an 8 foot table to a 9 foot table Stevie, with CB and OB in same relation, as in the attached diagram. How can you account for requiring substantially different aim lines?

Colin

"Damn Geometrists".:wink:

They are two different angles.

Damn Trigonometrists.

 

[garczar]

nt nt nt nt nt

 

[tonythetiger583]

I ve heard rumours that some humans sometimes make *physical* errors.....or are not in top mental condition.....but maybe that s just a rumour about humans. Maybe "ghostball-user" or "arrow-user"don t have *human-deficites".

Maybe you could also offer Stevie a lesson for his fundamentals and his aiming :grin-square::grin-square::grin-square::grin-square::grin-square::grin-square::grin-square:


sry- but i couldn t resist.....

I was watching Landon Shuffet's game against Earl, and I'm not sure if I remember him missing. Some of his safeties came up a little short, but whenever he had a shot, he didn't miss.

 

[AtLarge]

I was watching Landon Shuffet's game against Earl, and I'm not sure if I remember him missing. Some of his safeties came up a little short, but whenever he had a shot, he didn't miss.

Just going by memory on something like this is often unreliable. Yes, Landon played a superb match (July, 2012 at Tunica). But a quick look at my notes for the match shows that he missed about 7 shots (plus he fouled about 4 times). For comparison, Earl's misses and fouls numbered about 8 each.