Question: Ivory Issue

arknova

arknova

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I know this is probably not the right section of the forum to discuss this but still the most apt to.

I'm going to break this up into parts so it's easier for other readers to understand better (and myself too haha) as well as for the helpful people to answer.
So... Here it goes:

1)Are Ivory issues only confined to the US? If there are others, please state some examples.

2) A)Does this affect both outgoing cues from US and incoming cues to US?

B) Will such cues possibly be withdrawn/confiscated at either customs of the buyer/ seller's country? If so, is there any way to claim them back or are they like forever gone?

C) Can you seek clearance to ivory related cues such that you can do it legally either by declaration or shipping by special conditions?

3) How much ivory is considered a threat and will require confiscation? I've read a bit here and there and I've seen some people saying that you can just take it past the customs and declare that it's personal property. But how accurate is that information?

4) If really there's a cue you really want that contains ivory, how do you get about that?
A) If I want to do this on local grounds
B) Doing this by an overseas deal

5) A)This probably is not ivory related but what other possible materials face restrictions as such ivory as well?
B)Why is ivory even an issue??? :confused:

I'm so confused about this. Any form of help will be appreciated! :D

Thanks,
Clarence
 
arknova said:
I know this is probably not the right section of the forum to discuss this but still the most apt to.

I'm going to break this up into parts so it's easier for other readers to understand better (and myself too haha) as well as for the helpful people to answer.
So... Here it goes:

1)Are Ivory issues only confined to the US? If there are others, please state some examples.

2) A)Does this affect both outgoing cues from US and incoming cues to US?

B) Will such cues possibly be withdrawn/confiscated at either customs of the buyer/ seller's country? If so, is there any way to claim them back or are they like forever gone?

C) Can you seek clearance to ivory related cues such that you can do it legally either by declaration or shipping by special conditions?

3) How much ivory is considered a threat and will require confiscation? I've read a bit here and there and I've seen some people saying that you can just take it past the customs and declare that it's personal property. But how accurate is that information?

4) If really there's a cue you really want that contains ivory, how do you get about that?
A) If I want to do this on local grounds
B) Doing this by an overseas deal

5) A)This probably is not ivory related but what other possible materials face restrictions as such ivory as well?
B)Why is ivory even an issue??? :confused:

I'm so confused about this. Any form of help will be appreciated! :D

Thanks,
Clarence
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Clarence:
1. No, not confined to US...most countries are on board with the the ivory issue...Japan, Germany and some others are very hard on it.

2A. Both
2B. Confiscated, possibly by either. One time, I received a cue after it being held, but I received a big fine from Fish and Wildlife along with it.
2C. If you have the proper CITES documents, the import is legal. The documentation is very difficult to obtain.

3. Any ivory...it really just depends on whether or not your package is selected for inspection. Obviously, every package can't be inspected, so there is some luck involved.

4A. Do it locally
4B. If you don't mind losing your total investment, go for it, otherwise, stay local

5A. Lots of endangered species...rhinos, big cats, many shell fish..lots of others. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
5B. To protect the elephant population from illegal poaching. Many elephant populations were almost wiped out. Ironically, since the import laws have stopped most import, many of the populations have grown to the point where they are now overpopulated and starving, as well as invading human spaces looking for food.

Joe
 
Mammoth ivory

It is my understanding that trade in mammoth ivory is legal. I know this is true for fossil corals as well. But local laws may differ. Mammoths and mastodonts were different species (and higher taxa) than extant proboscidians, Loxodonta and Elephas. Hundreds of thousands of tusks were removed from the Siberian permafrost in the late 1800s and used as ivory (pre-plastic days ivory had many uses).

Mammoth ivory is common as knife handles and is used sometimes as decorative material on pool cues. You need a good eye, or a microscope, to tell the difference in tooth structure (the swirly pattern) from modern elephants.

Nick
 
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