Ok I just got my tip replaced by a cue maker that has replaced several of my tips in the past with no problems always has done good work in the past. So I didn't even inspect the tip before I left, thought there was no reason to. But when I took it out to start playing with it I noticed that the tip isn't flush with the ferrule. The tip is smaller, you can feel a ridge if you run you finger down the side of the tip where it connects to the ferrule. Maybe this is no big deal and me just being anal. My question is, is it a big deal do I need to get it fixed before I shoot with it. Is it going to harm my ferrule (it's buckhorn)? Is the tip more likely to pop off? Should I just shoot with it and not worry about it?
Question on tip replacement
- Thread starter wakedork
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I would suggest you contact the repair guy first and let him have a chance to rectify it before posting here.
If you miscue and catch that ridge on the cue ball, it might chip the ferrule, not sure on that though.
Since he's done good work before, I can't imagine he'll not make it right.
My 2 Cents,
Gary
If you miscue and catch that ridge on the cue ball, it might chip the ferrule, not sure on that though.
Since he's done good work before, I can't imagine he'll not make it right.
My 2 Cents,
Gary
I didn't put his name on the post because i did want to give him the chance to make it right. But I didn't want to go back in and say hey this isn't right and he tell me that it's no big deal and you should never have a problem with it. I just wanted an opinion I was in no way trying to bash him or his work.
Get them redone...as the tip gets thin on the edge, you're definitely going to get some ferrule-to-cue ball contact and that's not good...don't worry about what he says, it's your cue and I promise you you won't like how this ends.
So I went back to get him to replace it, he told me that it was fine he cut it in so that once I played with it would compress and line up. That sounded completely illogical, that is he is counting on a tip mushrooming to the point of expanding symmetrically a mm or so all the way around. I told him I would rather just have it flush to start with and not have to worry about it. He seemed pretty put off about that so I very kindly asked would he put a new tip on and I would pay for it. So he puts the new one on and I watched this time, he never burnished the tip he just used a sharpie marker on the edge of it. So he finished and handed me my shaft and it looked like he tip was already been played with and mushroomed. Side wall was not slick and it was not flush with the shaft it was a little larger. At this point I thanked him, offered him the money for the new tip which he refused and I decided I would take my business elsewhere to see if they can fix it the right way. Problem is no one has a walk in shop I'll have to drop it off at the pool hall I play at and they will pick it up and then drop it back off. No big deal really i only get to play one night a week so being with out it is no big deal.
I always cut and burnish the tip even with the ferrule and if the tip does mushroom to the point it bothers the customer I do it again w/o charge. What a sloppy repair!!
Sorry to hear about your misfortune!You'll want to be careful turning your cue in to be picked up by a repairman... if the one you saw is the only game in town, you don't want to pay for his subpar work again.
sorry i didn't explain that right. The guy that picks up the cues at my local hall is a different guy. A younger up and coming cue builder. I had the last tip put on by him but he didn't have Trinagle tips which I prefer and talked me into a layered tip. I used to for a couple of weeks and just couldn't get used to the hardness. So I made the mistake of going back to my old guy. Won't do that again. He did exceptional work and I will use hi from now one even if I have to buy the Tips myself.
Well, I guess that proves me wrong - I can't imagine a cue repair guy being lso poorly customer oriented in this economy. I thought anyone would want to make it right for you.
Sounds like you have a Plan B - hope that works out better for you.
Gary
Sounds like you have a Plan B - hope that works out better for you.
Gary
If i was you, i would've hit some balls with the undersized tip for a week or two. You may have found that he knew wtf he was talking about. Then again, maybe not. Guess you'll never know:sorry: Having shaved a mm. off many a mushroomed tip, i would say that you are the one being illogical.
Advice for ya:...........Ah never mind, you would'nt follow it anyway:sorry:
Moses supposes his rosies are posies, but Moses supposes eroneously
Advice for ya:...........Ah never mind, you would'nt follow it anyway:sorry:
Moses supposes his rosies are posies, but Moses supposes eroneously
Sounds like he's reusing tips...cut off from cues from folks that didn't want the tip he put on, misfires, etc. Not good business. The only way you get a tip smaller than the ferrule is if it was smaller in the first place. Using a sharpie to darken the edge and not burnishing it is piss-poor, too. In fact, sharpie ink is bad for layered tips, the ink tends to eat up the bonds between the layers and can cause separation.
Tips do indeed swell at the base a little, but not the way he describes. If installed properly, the whole contact between ferrule and tip is glued...how does that contact point increase? It doesn't, unless the ferrule face spreads, too, and that's no good. A good tip job starts with a tip bigger than your shaft diameter, then trimmed flush with the ferrule and burnished to a nice, hard, smooth edge. Anything else is sub-par and a waste of money.
Tips do indeed swell at the base a little, but not the way he describes. If installed properly, the whole contact between ferrule and tip is glued...how does that contact point increase? It doesn't, unless the ferrule face spreads, too, and that's no good. A good tip job starts with a tip bigger than your shaft diameter, then trimmed flush with the ferrule and burnished to a nice, hard, smooth edge. Anything else is sub-par and a waste of money.
As a player, not a CM or repair man, I have been doing my own tips for a very long time. More than 20 years. It was one bad experience that started me doing it.
I don't have a lathe, so doing tips right is extremely labor intensive, but they can be done right "by hand". I even have my own burnishing compound mix. I custom developed it, on my own, in the kitchen. I understand burnishing and its purpose. It is not just cosmetic, in fact the cosmetic result is secondary. It should be done, done correctly, and done as well as possible.
A sharpie has no business near a pool cue unless somebody famous is going to autograph it. :wink:
Even without a lathe, my tips are flush with the ferrule.
I don't know what happened, it all sounds so strange that somebody that knows pool cues did that work.
You are not wrong. Just find yourself another way to get your tips done.
I don't have a lathe, so doing tips right is extremely labor intensive, but they can be done right "by hand". I even have my own burnishing compound mix. I custom developed it, on my own, in the kitchen. I understand burnishing and its purpose. It is not just cosmetic, in fact the cosmetic result is secondary. It should be done, done correctly, and done as well as possible.
A sharpie has no business near a pool cue unless somebody famous is going to autograph it. :wink:
Even without a lathe, my tips are flush with the ferrule.
I don't know what happened, it all sounds so strange that somebody that knows pool cues did that work.
You are not wrong. Just find yourself another way to get your tips done.
There isn't anyone here that does tips that hasn't made a mistake installing, cutting, or burnishing a tip.
Every time I did that ........ get out the knife, cut it off and do it right ....Before you ever hand it to a customer!!!
I take the tips that mushroom and put them in a C clamp. I measure them before and after and squeeze them until they stay about 20 to 25 thou smaller. They don't seem to mushroom after that. It does make softer tips a little harder.
Kim
Every time I did that ........ get out the knife, cut it off and do it right ....Before you ever hand it to a customer!!!
I take the tips that mushroom and put them in a C clamp. I measure them before and after and squeeze them until they stay about 20 to 25 thou smaller. They don't seem to mushroom after that. It does make softer tips a little harder.
Kim
If i was you, i would've hit some balls with the undersized tip for a week or two. You may have found that he knew wtf he was talking about. Then again, maybe not. Guess you'll never know:sorry: Having shaved a mm. off many a mushroomed tip, i would say that you are the one being illogical.
Advice for ya:...........Ah never mind, you would'nt follow it anyway:sorry:
Moses supposes his rosies are posies, but Moses supposes eroneously
So what is your sage advice that you so eroneously suppose that I won't follow? It seems you are in the minority on thinking this cue repair was adequate. How is playing with the cue going to expand the base of the tip? Mushrooming is the compression of the leather and as far as i know the base that is glued to the ferrule will never move, or at least it shouldn't. And even if it does it won't be glued to the ferrule. I'm pretty sure when you shaved off the mm of mushroom from your tip it was in the middle and not at the base. And why should I shoot with the tip that way, on the off chance he is right and run the risk of damaging my ferrule. I'm pretty sure form the replacement job, In the 4.5 yrs I haven't been playing pool he has lost his touch or the desire to do good work or that maybe since I have been coming on here I have learned the right way a tip should be installed, and his previous work looked just like this and i was too naive to know better. i do know that none of the other tips he did was ever not flush with the ferrule.
And since you like quoting old movies, "frankly my darling i don't give a damn!"
could it be possible that the ''old'' repairman knows all this and decided to just.......''put it to ya next time''???????
I doubt after not going to him for almost 5 yrs ( since me last retip, 4.5 of that not playing at all) that he remembered me and decided to "put it to me". I discussed with him that I had someone else put a new tip on because I had stopped by a couple of times and he was never in. And didn't like the tip so I came back to him to get what i was used too. So if he didn't like me going to the other guy, why on earth would he "put it to me"? Seems the smart thing to do was to do the best job possible so I would not have a reason to ever go back to the other guy, but he didn't do that did he.
I only came on here to get advice about a tip replacement that i thought was odd, and to make sure I was not going to cause any damage to my cue. But some people have decided to turn it into something else. For those that gave me advice and said that it was sub par work, thank you for your help.
Lol, a thanks to all who agree with your way of thinking, surprise, suprise.
I'd bet that the tip was undersize less than half a mm., prolly more like 1/4mm. or less, and that the experienced repairman knew what he was doing, and saving you the time, and trouble of having to come back and have the tip trimmed due to mushrooming. Also, i think the chance of you doing any harm to your precious ferrule while breaking in the tip, is about 1 in a gazillion. My advice is, next time you think the pro is wrong, prove it.
My guess is he was right, and you sir are the one that is wrong. Actually, it's not a guess. I know a builder that uses this method with triangles, and they look perfect, once broke in. Your eroneously logical thought process has prolly led you to hack off the best tip you'll have for years, good luck with that. There is no substitute for experience, and you can't fix stupid:thumbup:
I'd bet that the tip was undersize less than half a mm., prolly more like 1/4mm. or less, and that the experienced repairman knew what he was doing, and saving you the time, and trouble of having to come back and have the tip trimmed due to mushrooming. Also, i think the chance of you doing any harm to your precious ferrule while breaking in the tip, is about 1 in a gazillion. My advice is, next time you think the pro is wrong, prove it.
My guess is he was right, and you sir are the one that is wrong. Actually, it's not a guess. I know a builder that uses this method with triangles, and they look perfect, once broke in. Your eroneously logical thought process has prolly led you to hack off the best tip you'll have for years, good luck with that. There is no substitute for experience, and you can't fix stupid:thumbup:
No I thanked the people who gave me their advice without being arrogant asses. It just happens that the majority of them happened to say what I was afraid of. I had no idea whether it was wrong or not. I felt that it was so i came on here and asked. Several people suggested that it was wrong and that i needed to get it fixed so I did. And if this is a common practice how come the last two tips he put on they were not done this way?
And how am I to prove him wrong? Play with until it pops off or does some type of damage to my ferrule. And you are right it may have never done damage to my ferrule, i have no idea but I asked people who I consider more knowledgeable than me on the subject and the consensus was that it could. I don't have the luxury of playing all the time as little as i play it could have taken months or years to break the tip in.
So my question to you is are you always an ass or did I do something to you to make you that way. You are just another anonymous internet user hiding behind a screen name.
How much undersized was the tip compared to the ferrule. I must have missed or skipped over it.