Do a little digging on 'The Myth Destroyer'. It was a flawed design that gave flawed results. Predator's Iron Willie gave better results. Big problem with robot stroke machines is the machine-to-cue problem. Human hand/arms/shoulder/elbow is not a stiff, locked device. When i tested the Revo 12.9 it was instantly obvious that moving the CB around took less effort. Others there that hit it all said same thing.
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Great info. Should be a sticky for all the techies on AZ. I just hit balls.
That would be opinion versus fact. Don't confuse the two. Glad to see you moved past the "leave your cue in your trunk as long as you want" opinion though.
Like I started, the majority of people don't have the stroke to support CF.
HUH????? What does that even mean??? What stroke level/quality would you deem necessary for one to use a cf shaft?? Have you ever tried one? I know players from near beginners to world-class pros who love them. CF is a material, nothing more. The same stroking ability needed for old school maple still applies. CF doesn't perform magic tricks. Like i said earlier, the ones i've tried have shown a 'slight' increase in transfer most likely due to the stiffness.
No, you're just stubbornly refusing to admit some basic truths here and I'm tired of talking about it.Glad to see you moved past the "leave your cue in your trunk as long as you want" opinion though.
YOUR truths, not mine. Again, you can't force your opinion on someone as truth.
Okay buddy...
I believe the feedback from wood is different than CF. You disagree? Are you saying that CF shafts deflect as much as maple?
Finally!!! And I'm stubborn? lolOkay buddy...
Have a nice day.
Yep. Some do. The smaller diameter cf shafts are very low aquirt but i hate those sizes. The 12.9 Revo that i tested was slightly less than a 12.8 maple i had but not a lot. The biggest benefits of these shafts(IMO) are the finish(except the Defy. It sucked), durability and radial consistency.
Depends on how they're made (same tip size? hollow front end?). CF density is 2-3 times that of maple.
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I largely agree those might be seen as benefits to some.
But none are really playability benefits. I get that some Pro's may like them as well as some beginners but what is a beginner comparing it to? The Pro likes it for the radial consistency? I thought they could run 400 balls with a broom stick. I am simply saying the pool world AT-LARGE, from a playing perspective, especially new players, probably only benefit from the cool, latest and greatest factor. And apparently, they can leave them in their trunks weeks at a time in Texas. A huge benefit.
Personally I would encourage any new players to begin with a good maple shaft. I think the feel of wood teaches more and if you want to move to CF in time after you actually know how to stroke, feel free. I don't have anything against them, I'll just never buy one. Just like I don't need a glove.
Ugh, so being respectful is not something you do. Yes, I live in a state where it gets to be 105 degrees for months at a time and yes, occasionally I leave my cues in my car. At big tournaments, one's choices can often be limited. The idea that you can have shafts that don't warp is appealing to me and anyone like me.
I compete as much as I can. I don't have any sponsors (nor am I looking for one) so all of my equipment is out-of-pocket. The straighter my cue is, the better. If this isn't your life, that's fine. I get it. Not everyone actually gets in their car and drives across state to play in tournaments.
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HNTFSH Said:
"Personally I would encourage any new players to begin with a good maple shaft. I think the feel of wood teaches more and if you want to move to CF in time after you actually know how to stroke, feel free."
Why would that new player want to start with wood if he thought he would move to CF in the future?
"Personally I would encourage any new players to begin with a good maple shaft. I think the feel of wood teaches more and if you want to move to CF in time after you actually know how to stroke, feel free."
Why would that new player want to start with wood if he thought he would move to CF in the future?
First describe feel and hit. In detail.
IMO the feel of wood teaches the player how the shaft reacts in a variety of shots, strokes and situations. More so than CF. Understanding that is a learning process (consciously or subconsciously) for new player. That in itself can take YEARS and a lot of playing and practice.
We all know MANY people who HOPE custom cues and CF shafts will makes them better.
Think about ALL the players that do not take billiards as seriously as the regulars here. It's a bunch. That's who I have in mind with my comments. But go to any bar and watch a guy than can run 2 whole balls wearing his glove or playing with his CF shaft.
Dad use to say when fishing: "At times you might THINK you get a bite but you'll KNOW when you actually do".
Similar thing here, once you get used to feeling that nibble on a fiberglass rod and determine bites versus bumps, you're ready to better benefit from the Graphite rod.