Questions CSI should answer about 25July2014 Ko Pin Yi-Ralf Souquet 8ball semifinal

[NlceGuy]

How about this scenario ---

Let's say that both Big Ko and Lil Ko also had flights that were booked at an ill advised time. And Holman did the same. Ralf already had his flight wrong as well as we all know. So then the finals would be empty of all players. I guess then, in your mind, the players just do a four way chop and get on the plane?

Nope, in my mind forfeit players give up all claim of money and should also be penalized by covering any damages caused to the tournament itself (lost of revenue from stream, advertisement... etc.)

Players should be heavily discouraged from forfeiting, but any gain/loss should be between the forfeiting party, their opponent, and the event organizer. Nowhere should there be another player gaining something from this irresponsible act.

 

[punter]

FIFA also settles the biggest tournament they are involved in, in the case of a tie, by penalty kicks.

Let's not put that organization and it's mentality and rules up too high on a pedestal or mountain top.

That would be the same as a pool tournament stating if two players are racing to 9 and the score is tied 8 to 8, the match moves to best out of 5 spot shots.

I read where they are doing that in China.

http://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/11355-world-team-preeminence-on-tap-in-china/

This is where things will get very interesting. If a match ends up 3-3 in the knockout stage, the winner will be decided by a shootout. In a shootout the 8 ball is placed in the middle of the table down near the short rail, level with the first diamond, while the cue ball is placed way down at the head string. The three men and one woman on each team take turns trying to pot the 8-ball in either far corner. All players play in sequence and the team to score six hits first with a margin of two or more(6-4, 7-5, etc.) wins the match and advances to the next round.

 

[Kid Dynomite]

How about this scenario ---

Let's say that both Big Ko and Lil Ko also had flights that were booked at an ill advised time. And Holman did the same. Ralf already had his flight wrong as well as we all know. So then the finals would be empty of all players. I guess then, in your mind, the players just do a four way chop and get on the plane?

Happens all the time when weekly tournaments run late! Even at regional tours!

Kd

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[itsfroze]

SVB must have agreed with the decision cause he played the match.

Dumb statement, SVB got a free shot at extra money and took it.

I'm a big fan of Shane's but I wish he had declined to play.
It would look much better if he had, but this is a waste of time
there's no chance you'll ever understand. LOL

To bid an ego !

 

[BJTyler]

Yes, because I spoke with the people directly involved with Mark and got affect by his decision. I did not however talk to Dennis or Ralf, and have no knowledge on whether the match was thrown or not.

I think I'm going to bow out now, at this point it is pretty clear where most people on this forum lean and I'm not likely to convince anyone on the internet... I'm just going to leave this final scenario out there for people to ponder:

BJTyler is right, there is almost no precedent of a team or player forfeiting after getting out of group stage and into an elimination round. However, when a decision must be made to set that precedent you have to consider some extreme scenarios, so lets consider an extreme case.

Let's say Group A winner was Shane and he is waiting on Group B winner.

Group B potential winners are Big Ko and Warren, if they both win Ko get's through, but if only Warren wins he does. Warren wins and somehow Ko loses...

Shane is licking his chops, he knows he's got Warren's number and Warren knows it too. However, Warren knows that if he forfeits Ko get's through and Ko has been beating up on Shane lately, so he goes to Ko and works out a deal. He then goes to the tournament and says he forfeits because his dog is sick, or his flight changed, or he can't change his flight... something like that...

Shane goes from playing his standard USA punching bag to his nemesis in Ko, all because a forfeit opponent can bring back an eliminated player. I have a feeling many would be singing a different tune if that were to occur.

I can honestly say that if I had the ability to create a precedent for all future tournaments to follow, I would have no problem with allowing for a replacement player in the event of a forfeit (vs. issuing an automatic bye).

The fact is, as long as the rules are clear and transparent before the tournament begins, either set of rules is fair. However, I believe the value of ensuring a deliverable product trumps the value of reducing potential shenanigans.

The reason I feel this way is that while tournament wrongdoings can always be penalized after the fact, you can never get back dead-air.

 

[BRussell]

Yes, because I spoke with the people directly involved with Mark and got affect by his decision.

Of course Ko would rather get a freebie than have to play someone as planned. Who wouldn't? That doesn't mean it's right to change tournament plans because someone forfeited.

 

[yobagua]

Equating CSI with the NFL, MLB, FIFA etc is at best irrelevant and at worse moronic.
CSI is one guy. Mark Griffin. He makes decisions for what he deems best at the time. He is taking the weight on his shoulders alone. Yes its his money but, giving him the benefit of the doubt, he does what is fair IN HIS POV. Maybe not to yours. Maybe not to the majority of the population. Lets let him take responsibility. And lets hope he makes the adjustment for future decisions.
This speculation of what ifs.... is idiotic. Particularly of Shane dumping or Warren dumping etc. Alright he didnt give Ko the bye/win. Maybe he'll do better next time for you.
Maybe he wont. If you dont want to go to his next venue, boycott. Tell your friends not to go, tell your pro comrades not to play, but nobody can play god and judge this man until he can carry that burden on his shoulders. For that judgement becomes just an opinion and there are those who agree and those who dont.
Only time willl tell. In the interim I think, as his record of his great contributions he has made to the game, we should give him the benefit of the doubt.