Quick warmup before match.

Never thought about. Hit a few to get loose. No time to be practicing.
Well I’m just saying even if you go to New hall or something to practice. A lot of people will check out the table.

*edit* I started doing this after I went to a new place and missed a few long rails on a GC. Turns out the ball would not go past the side pocket without hitting a point. Ever since then I check the table if I’ve never played it before
 
Well I’m just saying even if you go to New hall or something to practice. A lot of people will check out the table.

*edit* I started doing this after I went to a new place and missed a few long rails on a GC. Turns out the ball would not go past the side pocket without hitting a point. Ever since then I check the table if I’ve never played it before
I'll hit a couple 3-railer's so my off-the-table system is good but that's about it. Never had a side-pocket point issue.
 
I'll hit a couple 3-railer's so my off-the-table system is good but that's about it. Never had a side-pocket point issue.
since you chimed in with that Garczar. Do you play a lot of one pocket? Because the thing with me is I almost never in a game of eight ball or nine ball would have a reason to use that three cushion system. I go off of the diamonds instead. You can’t always use the running English. But I can see it being a great tool for 1 pocket.
 
since you chimed in with that Garczar. Do you play a lot of one pocket? Because the thing with me is I almost never in a game of eight ball or nine ball would have a reason to use that three cushion system. I go off of the diamonds instead. You can’t always use the running English. But I can see it being a great tool for 1 pocket.
I always check tables for 3 rail shots, they give me an idea if the table is "on", long, or short. That can then apply to 2 rail and single rail shots. I don't find 3 rail shots unusual at all when someone plays a safe against you in 8 ball and occasionally even 9 ball.
 
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I always check tables for 3 rail shots, they give me an idea if the table is "on", long, or short. That can then apply to 2 rail and single rail shots. I don't find 3 rail shots unusual at all when someone plays a safe against you in 8 ball and occasionally even 9 ball.
My thing is if they are the same as the one I watched a video on. the 3 rail system is using running English where usually in 8 or 9 you might need to shorten or tighten the angle off the first rail because there is a ball in your way, in effect nullifying the system. I’ll go some sort of outside English even some times. Maybe I just see things a bit different than some of you. How’s it going to work when you are focused on a point not on the table and using outside? That ball is going to die off rail 2. If you know where to actually shoot the ball and have enough time in, you almost automatically adjust your aim point off of the table. Then again it probably would be good if the 3 rail system is available. Idk. I’ve never used it though. And no one would ever play me banks. Go figure.
 
When you get a quick warmup before a match on a table you don’t know, what’s your biggest concern? Stroke? Table? Cushions? Personally I always check if a ball locked on the rail will pass the side pocket. Definitely my #1.
That's a good one to check out. I like to check the rails and the table speed. If I'm about to play One Pocket I like to practice a couple of break shots too.
 
Well I’m just saying even if you go to New hall or something to practice. A lot of people will check out the table.

*edit* I started doing this after I went to a new place and missed a few long rails on a GC. Turns out the ball would not go past the side pocket without hitting a point. Ever since then I check the table if I’ve never played it before
My honorary nephew once lost a Western BCA tourney finals for that very reason. A heartbreaker. Very wise of you to do this. Experience...a bitter teacher.
 
I usually like to lag and nail it within a cube of chalk twice in a row. If I have time, I will check if balls go past the side pocket and spend some time slow rolling near the rails to verify the table is level with minimal roll off. Sometimes you don't have time to check out a table so it's best to not rely on the table or conditions to be perfect. I will also check out the 3 rail route if there is time.

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My thing is if they are the same as the one I watched a video on. the 3 rail system is using running English where usually in 8 or 9 you might need to shorten or tighten the angle off the first rail because there is a ball in your way, in effect nullifying the system. I’ll go some sort of outside English even some times. Maybe I just see things a bit different than some of you. How’s it going to work when you are focused on a point not on the table and using outside? That ball is going to die off rail 2. If you know where to actually shoot the ball and have enough time in, you almost automatically adjust your aim point off of the table. Then again it probably would be good if the 3 rail system is available. Idk. I’ve never used it though. And no one would ever play me banks. Go figure.
That's all part of adapting the 3 rail system to what's going on with the layout on table. The system is always a baseline which you adapt from. If you play with the standard 3 rail shot, you can quickly learn just how much running or reverse you need to shorten something. The 3 rail system, and fly on the wall is great to get out of tight situations. If you know the route the ball goes on this shot, you can often deduce how to hit a ball on the track lines, even if you only hit two rails of the system. The other thing, fly on the wall or using table diamonds, you should work to learn what a parallel shift does. If you know the 3 rail route, you can often get out of trouble and follow the same route by simply doing a parallel shift to come out the same. Sometimes you can do a parallel shift and then go in between the actual tracks and the shifted ones, but it depends on what you are doing. You can also use the knowledge of routes to carom off an OB and knock a pocket hanger in. This can be powerful in 9 ball. Never let your opponent in on the secret that it wasn't slop. Let them moan about how 9B is a slop game and you have to be lucky to win. ;)

I am pretty successful in kicking. I know I will get a hit. Things get a bit tougher when it's actually prudent to make the shot, but I have pretty good success with that too. I never consider it a "good hit" unless it made or hid the CB. At times you have to just bite the bullet and leave them a tough shot however.

Systems give you an idea of what to look for when at the table. If you can get past the systems and just "see" the shot, your game will elevate, but it takes a lot of messing around to get to that point.
 
I usually like to lag and nail it within a cube of chalk twice in a row. If I have time, I will check if balls go past the side pocket and spend some time slow rolling near the rails to verify the table is level with minimal roll off. Sometimes you don't have time to check out a table so it's best to not rely on the table or conditions to be perfect. I will also check out the 3 rail route if there is time.


Systems give you an idea of what to look for when at the table. If you can get past the systems and just "see" the shot, your game will elevate, but it takes a lot of messing around to get to that point.
Thanks for that. I’m not actually trying to argue on it. I was just looking for a good viewpoint on why/how to use it because it just seems pointless to me. Sometimes hard to relate that through posts. I’ve had people knock me on here for not being knowledgeable. That’s not it. I just see things differently and a lot of times there is a much easier way that is learned not taught.

Anybody wants a real mindf$&@, just think about what happens on an outside English multiple rail shot. Inside is easy. Follows the same path with different speeds and angles. Easily calculated. Outside you can have so many huge variances based on the speed hit and angle to the first rail.
 
Hey guys sorry I got off subject a minute there. In response to my last reply. If I’m using a point system to win a match I’m not happy about it. At all. Zero. That’s not my thing. Using systems would take the fun out of it for me, and with that the satisfaction of winning the game with skill instead of “tricks”. Even if they work 100%. In my mind they could be good starting points. Where some of you feel the systems are easy and beneficial, they seem way too complicated in my mind and not worth it. By the time I learn them I can be far ahead of the scale with repetition. I’m not in it for the money. I could care less if I lose. What keeps me going is the desire to be better. Have more skill. Anyone can aim at a point on the wall. If you go by the book and keep your head down while shooting to the point you’ll never actually see the path. See. Right there shows shooting by the book isn’t always correct.


All right things you check on table if you have a chance. There’s been some good ones so far.
 
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Hey guys sorry I got off subject a minute there. In response to my last reply. If I’m using a point system to win a match I’m not happy about it. At all. Zero. That’s not my thing. Using systems would take the fun out of it for me, and with that the satisfaction of winning the game with skill instead of “tricks”. Even if they work 100%. In my mind they could be good starting points. Where some of you feel the systems are easy and beneficial, they seem way too complicated in my mind and not worth it. By the time I learn them I can be far ahead of the scale with repetition. I’m not in it for the money. I could care less if I lose. What keeps me going is the desire to be better. Have more skill. Anyone can aim at a point on the wall.

Remember recently where someone in one of your other threads mentioned that you are nowhere need the Fargo level you think you and that your topics & posts clearly reflect that & rather severe Dunning-Kruger effect? This is one of them.

None of us are immune. Please consider taking this in the spirit intended, its not an attack and not all of life has to be a competitive sport.

Cheers
 
Remember recently where someone in one of your other threads mentioned that you are nowhere need the Fargo level you think you and that your topics & posts clearly reflect that & rather severe Dunning-Kruger effect? This is one of them.

None of us are immune. Please consider taking this in the spirit intended, its not an attack and not all of life has to be a competitive sport.

Cheers
Haha. Any of you remember the tournaments where aiming with your cue was cheating? I do.

Suck on that one. You are all cheaters in my mind.

From now on I’m bringing a laser pointer and small mirrors to plot out my shot angles. It’s the same as checking angles with your cue to aim. Cheating is cheating.
 
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So you warm upon a table in a room with 6-8 other tables. Are assigned after draw to another table. You back to square 1.
Maybe not. If they are all GCs with 860 and the same size pockets you will have a fair idea of how they play. Your game may be more developed than mine so table to table differences are more apparent to you but I shoot on an 8' Olhausen at home with big pockets and slow cloth. I need a massive recalibration in the pool rooms.
 
Maybe not. If they are all GCs with 860 and the same size pockets you will have a fair idea of how they play. Your game may be more developed than mine so table to table differences are more apparent to you but I shoot on an 8' Olhausen at home with big pockets and slow cloth. I need a massive recalibration in the pool rooms.


Good point.
 
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