Racking ethics

Black Cat 5791 said:
And, this is the very reason that all my Events are Rack Your Own!!!

However, if I weren't getting a good rack I'd make a nuisance of myself till somebody did something about it. Even if it meant that the TD had to come rack himself, if they wouldn't let me rack my own. I certainly wouldn't continue to give them a good rack while they game me crap.

~Black Cat~ :cool:
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But what do you do if the TD says, "No, your opponent is going to rack for you and you get one re-rack regardless of how loose it is." I've seen TDs say such things.
 
I'd keep demanding a new rack. Simply walk over, look it over, say re rack if need be and sit down. Just keep taking a break until he gets it right.

Over the years I've come to realize that there aren't very many ppl who either know how to rack, or are concerned with giving their opponents a good rack. I actually believe it's the first one. Because of this I am all for rack your own
 
Should be racked by neutral person/ref. Then no need to discuss ethics and/or if its rude behaviour. Snooker does it right and its probably why that game is growing, as the rules are clear to all who play.

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Bob Jewett said:
But what do you do if the TD says, "No, your opponent is going to rack for you and you get one re-rack regardless of how loose it is." I've seen TDs say such things.
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I might be wrong but, it would be SLUG Time. What's that Old Nursery Rhyme What's Good For The Goose is Good for the Gander. :eek:

~Black Cat~ :cool:
 
Just had a thought. How about a rule where the opponent racks and if you don't like it you can pass the break to him, but he cannot touch it after you decide to pass?


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I gamble regularly with a guy at the poolhall. When the heat is on he likes to blame his losses on rolls, the rotation of the earth or my racks. When he continually breaks dry he'd say "I can't make balls on your racks". So recently we switched to rack your own. He still couldn't make a ball....and didn't say a word.
 
Depends on the game; with 9-ball I'd just look at the gaps/spaces to determine where to break from. In 8-ball if I consistently get a bad rack from someone I'll look at the gaps and will probably switch to a second ball break.

This is assuming that I cannot rack my own and that the TD will only allow 2- 3 reracks.
 
Hope this is seen by the participants involved.--Rio Grand Valley, Tx. A friend of mine on a top 10 type tournament called out the player above him ( rules state the player called out has the choice of venue to play). The bar chosen has horriblely maintained tables ie. holes in the cloth a broken rail ect. Balls could not be racked tight so my friend brings a "smart" rack in to be used. Using the Smart rack the balls stick and a good break was struck. The called out player then objected and wouldn't allow the smart rack to be used. My friend stuck it out but lost 7-6 bear in mind the table was in a two table bar owned by the called out players family. My friend lost it and made some remarks and has been chastised as a poor loser. Seems to me the called out player was the Poor Sport using a table he plays on all the time to shorten the field and then when the other player objects to the conditions is called the poor sport. S--- if they want to see a poor loser play me. lol Good loser always a loser.
 
67tbird said:
Here's the situation - You are in a match that is important to you/your team. Alternate break. Your opponent is slug racking you every time. Asking for a new rack is not helping. If TD is there he will tell you to get over it after 2-3 reracks and hit it. Opponent will not allow you (and rules require opponents consent) to rack your own.

Do you

1) Suck it up, hit the rack as well as you can, and continue to give him a quality rack

2) Suck it up, hit the rack as well as you can, and give him an equally bad rack

3) Demand a new rack until you're satisfied no matter what, and continue to give him a quality rack

4) Demand a new rack until you're satisfied no matter what, and give him bad racks so he has to do the same

Options 3 and 4 dependent on the presence of league/tournament director.

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Just learn to softbreak on these people. That's what I did. Practice it a lot.
Just - and I mean JUST - enough power in your stroke to get four balls to touch the sides and he has to live with his own bs.
This is just one of many reasons I LOVE breaking with my play cue because when people rack like that I can softbreak and draw the cueball all the way to the rail and let them have at it.
I've never seen a single person run out like that and I usually take over after they're down 2 or 3 balls max.

One more reason I quit playing APA/BCA. It's nothing but bs.
 
To the OP

You do a version of a straightpool break and leave most of the rack still sitting there. When You get a funny look, say I am trying as hard on the break as you are on the rack!
 
Forget getting the guy to constantly re-rack because it isn't tight the best you can do for yourself is to learn how to READ THE RACK.

Use the spaces & gaps to your advantage, it baffles me that still in this day & age players amateur & pro alike refuse to the learn what the spaces & gaps in a rack mean & utilise them, my best advice Joe Tuckers racking secrets 1 & 2. It will change your game & the op's original 4 options will be no longer needed.
 
phishman said:
Hope this is seen by the participants involved.--Rio Grand Valley, Tx. A friend of mine on a top 10 type tournament called out the player above him ( rules state the player called out has the choice of venue to play). The bar chosen has horriblely maintained tables ie. holes in the cloth a broken rail ect. Balls could not be racked tight so my friend brings a "smart" rack in to be used. Using the Smart rack the balls stick and a good break was struck. The called out player then objected and wouldn't allow the smart rack to be used. My friend stuck it out but lost 7-6 bear in mind the table was in a two table bar owned by the called out players family. My friend lost it and made some remarks and has been chastised as a poor loser. Seems to me the called out player was the Poor Sport using a table he plays on all the time to shorten the field and then when the other player objects to the conditions is called the poor sport. S--- if they want to see a poor loser play me. lol Good loser always a loser.
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Bob's wife, is that you??
 
9 ball said:
Forget getting the guy to constantly re-rack because it isn't tight the best you can do for yourself is to learn how to READ THE RACK.

Use the spaces & gaps to your advantage, it baffles me that still in this day & age players amateur & pro alike refuse to the learn what the spaces & gaps in a rack mean & utilise them, my best advice Joe Tuckers racking secrets 1 & 2. It will change your game & the op's original 4 options will be no longer needed.
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I completely agree. I bought Joe's book long before the DVDs came out and it changed the way I break forever. If you are getting a "slug" rack, where there a lot balls in the same row not touching, that's another story. Depending on the situation, I might refuse to continue to play.
 
thintowin said:
could it be that your break is not as wonderful as you perceive it to be? heaven forbid you might be having an off-night; it does happen.
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It could definitely be (I'm no pro) but I know how a rack should move even in a bad break. On a side note, I have a teammate that competes successfully on the Joss tour and hits the break extremely well, he was having similar difficulty.

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ElLeon said:
Ran into this myself just a few weeks back. #3 is really your only option as it's mid-match. If you run into the player again, then you can hash it out BEFORE the match starts and use a magic rack or Delta-13 (as mentioned above) if available.

On a side note, 67 is a bit too new for my taste. Picked up this '63 bullet bird not too long ago.
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Beautiful car! I do prefer the look of the 67s but I appreciate all the old birds :) Mine is a Fordor landau, suicide rear doors

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