Raising Handicap After Calcutta: Allowed?

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Flip_dat_Quarta

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Let's say there is a handicapped tournament that has a calcutta. You buy a player in the calcutta because you feel he is under handicapped and has good odds of winning the tournament. After his first match the tournament director raises his handicap.

Is this allowed?

Should you be allowed to get your calcutta money back?

How would you handle this?

Is there any sort of standard rules to fall back on when it comes to regulating calcutta's?
 
Flip_dat_Quarta said:
Let's say there is a handicapped tournament that has a calcutta. You buy a player in the calcutta because you feel he is under handicapped and has good odds of winning the tournament. After his first match the tournament director raises his handicap.

Is this allowed?

Should you be allowed to get your calcutta money back?

How would you handle this?

Is there any sort of standard rules to fall back on when it comes to regulating calcutta's?
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Excellent question
 
Did you actually see this happen? I have played in tournaments for years and have never seen it but am curious how it worked out.

Seems to me the buyer takes a risk and almost always the sale is final once the cash is exchanged.

At least in the example given the player still had a chance to win even if it is at a lower %.
 
The line that I have always heard is prior to starting the tournament and everyone is *****ing about the handicaps is, "If you think someone is underrated, then buy them in the calcutta!" This tends to shut people up as the people who are bit$ching usually dont have any money and are looking for advantage as well.

I often buy players who are unknown, and have brought unknown players into tournaments, for this reason.

Raising a handicap in my experience is when a local gets beat, then they want to raise THE OTHER guys handicap until the locals can win.

JMO,

Ken
 
I'm sure this is less than useful but I have not ever seen a Calcutta in a handicapped event. I don't think I would participate in one.
 
I have seen guys get their handicap raised in local tournies. Usually it's some unknown guy who says he plays at "B" speed and then he shows that he can run racks, obviously a "A" player. It sucks for the couple players he sends to the loser bracket but it's happened.
On one extreme example, we had a new guy enter and he even played a cheap set the day before with a local guy. He obviously was laying down and got a low rating. Mid way into the tournament the next day, he was shooting way better than we had him rated. The tournament director gave him his entry fee back and said "your out of the tournament".

In Calcutta tournies, most players are pretty well known. I've never seen a player get raised during one of these tournaments.
 
I've seen this situation more than once... I can't remember what the outcome was, it wasn't any of my business.

We are contemplating having some high dollar tournaments & handicaps are a real concern for us. We are looking closely at the Fargo system.

So far, we have a policy of allowing handicaps to be raised after the start of the tournament. We also have a policy of players submitting signed applications with another player & their home bases. If they are caught cheating, they can be fined and/or banned.

A lot of money will change hands, so fairness & integrity has to be the policy.
 
I think that yes, it should be allowed. The buyer should also get the opportunity to keep the player or get his money back. If the buyer doesn't want the player anymore, he goes back up for bid.
 
I have been raised in OUT OF TOWN tournaments in the past. They said that APA handicaps would be used. Their rules not mine.

I was probably rated a 3 or so in APA, and after I beat a couple, particularly a woman who was rated a 5, she *****ed and got me raised a couple SL. This tournament had nothing to do with APA, but they were using their handicaps and they looked mine up and I was 3.

This along with the all too common of two friends from out of town coming together to save cost of traveling an hour or so to a tournament of 30-40 folks. They have a draw, and low and behold, they play each other in the opening round.....(whats the odds on that? :rolleyes:)

All of this happened years ago, and so often I grew tired of it, and took a break.

Ken
 
us820 said:
A handicapped calcutta is a scheduled argument.
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That is a statement that could very well come true. The hopes are that using the FARGO system will bring a halt to all that BS.
 
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Flip_dat_Quarta said:
Let's say there is a handicapped tournament that has a calcutta. You buy a player in the calcutta because you feel he is under handicapped and has good odds of winning the tournament. After his first match the tournament director raises his handicap.

Is this allowed?

Should you be allowed to get your calcutta money back?

How would you handle this?

Is there any sort of standard rules to fall back on when it comes to regulating calcutta's?
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You tell them to give your money back. Threaten to call police if needed. Arguments will follow. Then, actually call police. Then, call ambulance, youre probably gonna need it.
 
Ken_4fun said:
This along with the all too common of two friends from out of town coming together to save cost of traveling an hour or so to a tournament of 30-40 folks. They have a draw, and low and behold, they play each other in the opening round.....(whats the odds on that? :rolleyes:)

All of this happened years ago, and so often I grew tired of it, and took a break.

Ken
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That's my favorite one right there.:p
I drive to Indy many years ago, probably 1996 or so for one of the "C" tournaments at Sticks and Stones. 3 of us ride together. We all go for $10 or $20 in the calcutta. Lo and behold, I play one in the first round and had my other buddy won his first round, you guessed it, we would've played each other in the second round. I didn't see the draw done but, there were over 100 players in the tourney so you do the math...........
 
Ken_4fun said:
The line that I have always heard is prior to starting the tournament and everyone is *****ing about the handicaps is, "If you think someone is underrated, then buy them in the calcutta!" This tends to shut people up as the people who are bit$ching usually dont have any money and are looking for advantage as well.

I often buy players who are unknown, and have brought unknown players into tournaments, for this reason.

Raising a handicap in my experience is when a local gets beat, then they want to raise THE OTHER guys handicap until the locals can win.

JMO,

Ken
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This is my experience as well. I quit playing in handicapped tournaments because of this.
 
The rule here is "***** about the handicap before we start". After tournament start there isn't any adjusting, nor should there be in my opinion.
 
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