Rare Rosewoods

[QMAKER]

Here are some pics of some of the rarer rosewoods in my collection. The
Camatillo is probably the rarest, and most beautiful, of the rosewoods.

Bob Flynn
www.denalicues.com
International Cuemakers Assoc.

 

[BlowFish]

The top wood really looks great.

 

[Dave38]

Bob, Are these laid out in the order of rarety? Just wondering. I do like the Camatillo, but I have some of the Laos, and except for a couple squares that cracked before I could turn them, I really like working it. Cuts great, very dense and a great tone to the wood. The cracked ones, I was able to cut point wood out of them without too much waste.
Dave

 

[masonh]

i was under the impression Camatillo is just another name for Mexican Kingwood and that is usually a little more colorful than the Brazilian Kingwood.

 

[jazznpool]

The best Camatillo or Mexican Kingwood is uniformly red-purple. Its one of my favorite rosewoods along with Amazon rosewood. I like Brazillian kingwood too. It tends to be brown in color. We're fortunate to have an importer of Mexican lumber about an hour away. The Burma rw look interesting.

i was under the impression Camatillo is just another name for Mexican Kingwood and that is usually a little more colorful than the Brazilian Kingwood.

 

[manwon]

Here are some pics of some of the rarer rosewoods in my collection. The
Camatillo is probably the rarest, and most beautiful, of the rosewoods.

Bob Flynn
www.denalicues.com
International Cuemakers Assoc.

I also like the first one in the photo's, is the color due to it being closer to the bark and further from the heart?

Either way I really like it, thanks for sharing!!!

Have a good night!!

 

[masonh]

i like the Laos and Burma the best.that is some good dense stuff,and as Dave said has a very nice tone.gives brazilian the 7.

 

[QMAKER]

Rosewoods

Bob, Are these laid out in the order of rarety? Just wondering. I do like the Camatillo, but I have some of the Laos, and except for a couple squares that cracked before I could turn them, I really like working it. Cuts great, very dense and a great tone to the wood. The cracked ones, I was able to cut point wood out of them without too much waste.
Dave

Hi Dave: They are just laid out--no special order. I believe the Cochinchin
is the rarest and then the Camatillo. The swirled Brazilian is rare because of the CITES embargo an Brazilian. I understand they are now digging up fence posts. The swirled pieces are actually old stumps that have been salvaged. The best part of working with rosewoods is the great smell. Makes the whole shop smell like potpourri. As far as cracking goes; I wax all unwaxed wood as soon as I unpack it and very seldom have any crack.

Bob Flynn
www.denalicues.com
International Cuemakers Assoc.

 

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Camatillo Rosewood

i was under the impression Camatillo is just another name for Mexican Kingwood and that is usually a little more colorful than the Brazilian Kingwood.

Hi: The botanical name for Camatillo rosewood is congestiflora. It is also known as Mexican kingwood and para-kingwood. Whatever the name goes by
it is one of my favorites. I am in the process of building a cue for a customer with a Camatillo handle and swirled Brazilian forearm.

Bob Flynn

 

[MVPCues]

I really like camatillo also. I have some of the evenly colored rose/purplish variety (I think martin mentioned that). I can't wait to turn them. I just was able to grab a few from the you know who sight a while back.

As suggested, they are NOT the same as the typical Kingwood, which is Dalbergia cearensis. It is a great wood in its own right, particularly if you want bold striped QS, but it doesn't have the beauty of camatillo.

In reality, the hardest to get depends on who/what suppliers you know. I think good camatillo ranks up with there with all of the hard to find rosewoods.

Hey Bob, have you made many cues out of the Marado? Does it play well? I installed solid Bolivian rosewood flooring in my home, but don't have a single piece cue sized in my shop.

Kelly

 

[MVPCues]

The Burma rw look interesting.

I took another look at that piece after I read your post. I swear that piece of wood looks like a Pterocarpus. Pterocarpus is a fairly large genus that includes woods from that area of the world.

There is a variety of padauk from Burma (a little different from the African padauk) that is a Pterocarpus, and the wood that is in the picture sure looks a lot like the pieces I have. Also, Narra is a Pterocarpus, and is called New Guinea (sp?) rosewood. I am rambling now, but here is something a few might not know...Amboyna burl and Narra are the same species...Pterocarpus indicus.

Anyway...I did see one source that said Burma rosewood was Dalbergia olivera (looks like what is pictured). Bob, can you confirm what you have pictured is a true rosewood, and is olivera, or could it be a rosewood only in common name, and might be from another genus?

Kelly

 

[masonh]

weighing should tell a little.

 

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Burma Rosewood

I took another look at that piece after I read your post. I swear that piece of wood looks like a Pterocarpus. Pterocarpus is a fairly large genus that includes woods from that area of the world.

There is a variety of padauk from Burma (a little different from the African padauk) that is a Pterocarpus, and the wood that is in the picture sure looks a lot like the pieces I have. Also, Narra is a Pterocarpus, and is called New Guinea (sp?) rosewood. I am rambling now, but here is something a few might not know...Amboyna burl and Narra are the same species...Pterocarpus indicus.

Anyway...I did see one source that said Burma rosewood was Dalbergia olivera (looks like what is pictured). Bob, can you confirm what you have pictured is a true rosewood, and is olivera, or could it be a rosewood only in common name, and might be from another genus?

Kelly

Hi Kelly: The Burma (Burmese) rosewood is indeed Dalbergia Olivera from Thailand. The Bolivian rosewood is also known by the names Pau Ferro and Morado. I had two pieces of Camatillo and put 1 in a cue last week. Looking for more. Do you have a source you care to share?

Bob Flynn/Denali Pool Cues

 

[jazznpool]

If you can purchase a small cant (small ones are about 3x4x30) Camatillo rosewood is available at Latin Tropical Hardwoods of Latin America. You'll love the price--especially when compared to what the folks over at Gilmer and Cook get. Nobody in the USA is better than LTH for Mexican hardwoods including cocobolo and bocote.

Martin

Hi Kelly: The Burma (Burmese) rosewood is indeed Dalbergia Olivera from Thailand. The Bolivian rosewood is also known by the names Pau Ferro and Morado. I had two pieces of Camatillo and put 1 in a cue last week. Looking for more. Do you have a source you care to share?

Bob Flynn/Denali Pool Cues

 

[MVPCues]

I had two pieces of Camatillo and put 1 in a cue last week. Looking for more. Do you have a source you care to share?

Bob Flynn/Denali Pool Cues

No, the few pieces I have are from Gilmer. They were actually a pretty decent price for cut up squares.

Kelly

 

[masonh]

for super high figure wood cut to size that you can see before you buy Gilmer is hard to beat.an extra $5-10 is well worth having a special looking cue,imo.

they have a few pieces of Cocobolo that are marked sold over there that are unreal.ones piece didn't even look real.if i saw the cue that had that piece in it,i would buy the cue just to look at it.

they also had one piece of Camatillo in particular over there that was unreal looking as well.i wanted it so bad,but it was only 15" long and the figure was so wild that you wouldn't be able to find a butt to match it ever.


you have to be looking at the website when that stuff goes up though,it doesn't last long.

 

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Camatillo Rosewood

Thanks to all who replied about sources for this wood. Below are some pics of a Brazilian swirled rosewood/Camatillo/Kauri wood cue I am working on.

Bob Flynn

 

[BlowFish]

That Sir is one beautiful cue.

 

[jazznpool]

Camatillo Rosewood

Here's a photo of the Camatillo rosewood squares I have. The longest is 1-3/8 x 20 or so and was 39.00 without shipping at Gilmer. The largest 3 squares were $16 each at THLA and I was able to pick from about 20 that were just cut at the time (almost 2 years ago). One of them has a few birdseyes like bocote. Some might think this wood is boring, but I love the rich purple color. Camatillo would make excellent pointwood into birdseye or hard curly if matched with complementary veneer scheme like Blk, blu, purpleheart, bleached white.

No, the few pieces I have are from Gilmer. They were actually a pretty decent price for cut up squares.

Kelly

 

[MVPCues]

Here's a photo of the Camatillo rosewood squares I have. The longest is 1-3/8 x 20 or so and was 39.00 without shipping at Gilmer. The largest 3 squares were $16 each at THLA and I was able to pick from about 20 that were just cut at the time (almost 2 years ago). One of them has a few birdseyes like bocote. Some might think this wood is boring, but I love the rich purple color. Camatillo would make excellent pointwood into birdseye or hard curly if matched with complementary veneer scheme like Blk, blu, purpleheart, bleached white.

Boring? who would say such a thing?

They look just like mine....
Kelly